since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.
two of which are life drawing and photography.
i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.
goog thing you stepped in and helped her keep from haveing to explain things.
imagine the awkward conversations at the kingom hall
"so, newly interested one, how did you hear about the truth?"
"well, this nude modelling sister told me about not celebrating xmas and i had to know more and so now im here"
more awkward if the new "one" was a man.
i thought of successfully fading out, but suffered a miscarriage last week.
i gradually decreased the number of meetings i attended.
in the latter half of the year it became once a month, then once in two months, once in three months ….. last week, two elders who visited me, after their bla..bla..asked: “where will you go leaving the motherly organization—the only truth now available on earth?”.
well congrats on your independence from "mother"
Was there a reason for fading that will be affected by this?
Isnt it great to see the love? I mean, they go there, probably counting time too, only to try to get you to condemn yourself (in their eyes) so they can duly punish you and act as though you never existed. ah now that's warm christian love!
i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.
a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.
he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.
Im sure Russia could find a reason to legally ignore all the letters instead of responding to each.
Perhaps declaring them to be part of the WT criminal DoS activity would be sufficient, or perhaps the fact that most are not from Russian citizens.
I cant help but wonder if the the GB got exactly the results they were looking for.
Too bad Sanderson, one of the chief kingpins of the American run extremist organization, was allowed to return home instead of being prosecuted. Maybe Russia was trying to avoid the obvious next step of American intervention.
maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.
for general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself.
for the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges.
I wouldsuggest NOT bringing up points that draw into question the authority or legitamacy of the org only because you said that you are trying to record for your family to hear. if you get DF for apostacy they will be less likely to hear you out than if you get DF for "brazen conduct"
I loke the idea of showing the 1947 article, you could simply say that you agree with what the org wrote there. May I suggest giving each elder a copy but that you read out loud the paragraph where it mentions the pagan origens and the purpose being to control the members. Out loud so it gets on your recording and they may feel pushed to respond. then perhaps mention that jesus never commanded to shun or excercised shunning of anyone and so "Im sorry if my efforts to be more christ-like stumble you but rest assured that I have already forgiven you for what you are about to do."
Melt them with hot coals :)
or just skip the whole thing and move on. I feel for your situation with fam being in though. its going to be a rough ride, hang in there.
oh and congrats for being a real human being to your fellow man, we need more people like that in the world.
i know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.
a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.
he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.
Im a little surprised this is being brought up so long afterwards. yes it was obviously an intentional DoS, in my opinion.
also, while you were trying to be conservative with the number of witnesses writing letters, you may have forgotten that they were encouraged to write a letter to each of 5 or 6 ( something like that) officials, so your numbers may be wildly underestimated.
If you want to talk conspiracy theory, consider this: thanks to the efforts of the GB, the Russian gov now has names and addresses of potentially millions of JWs in and outside of Russia.
Yeah because bringing an important national public service to a crawl is not extremist in any way. May have been the nail in the coffin (that and their lies) of their case there but maybe that was the point. Framing trouble by decree, like so many other times.
it is difficult for me to say exactly what i mean on this subject.
my sister sent me a link to the oct, 2017 wt simplified article (which has been discussed about the shunning) and i found it disturbing of course, how the wt gives advice, different for each sex, along with the "unbelieving" mate dissing.. wt - although an unbelieving husband may not take the lead in spiritual matters, he should be respected because of his position as the head of the family.
likewise, an unbelieving wife should be shown self-sacrificing love and tender affection by her christian husband.—eph.
yay cha ching! yay for him and for her. he may have dodged a bullet there ( no pun intended) if he had instead gone the following week, he may have been drawn in instead of repelled.
Shes a lucky woman!
and he's lucky to get her out and keep her.
if you see someone about to be struck by a car or otherwise step into harms way but choose not to call out a warning or act in some way to prevent disaster, are you responsible for any harm caused?.
what defence, if any, can be offered for choosing inaction?
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I would think that intent should play a role for reasons already stated above.
What exactly are we talking about when we say "held morally responsible"? someone gets to yell at you?
i think the overwhelming problem with trying to wake up friends and family is they have nowhere else to go.
i mean these people all their friends are jws a lot of them their family is jws.
if they wake up or agree with you in anyway they know instantly that they loose all this, many will even loose jobs.
what gets me is that JWs are known (known by JWs) to be soo in love with truth and serving god without blemish and yet so often when they realize the truth about the bORG, they dont just jump ship immediately for the sake of truth and serving god (not usually anyway)
Im not even referring to those on rescue missions or trying to keep family together, I mean your average JW doesnt care about truth or serving god w/o blemish, only about the org.
my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.
what are people's thoughts on this?.
DJS Is it possible you didn't actually read my post? I did mention that I was simply explaining the model to clear up some things. I was not making a statement of fact or finding.
You really should make sure to be informed about that to which you are referring before you post.
Its ok to have a different theory, even to be wrong. It is not ok to jump on someone about what they said after you failed to actually read it.
No hard feelings though.
my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.
what are people's thoughts on this?.
Heres an approximation:
