Posts by MrRoboto

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Foetus baptism

by Fay Dehr in

foetus baptism - surely coming to a watchtower study article soon?

jw parents are reminded of 2 ti.3:14,14 "from infancy you have known the holy writings".

and the watchtower explains the greek word bre'phos "infancy" as follows: "...it is generally used of an unborn child.

Considering that a recent study article reinforced the official position of no infant baptism and that the baptisee should have accurate knowledge of good and his purpose (they unknowingly nullified every JW baptism with that one tho) otherwise the baptism doesn't count. Because of this,I don't think it will change any time soon.

If it does change the way you suggest, they may simply have the pregnant woman go into the baptism pool chest deep, enough to cover the location of the womb.

I think it could happen. It would either keep more kids in the bORG from birth on into adulthood.. or you may lose more kids to DFing than would be the case if they were not held responsible just yet.. because of... well we know how kids are... And those kids probably wouldn't go back to the bORG.. Roll of the dice there but the GoBo is not above that so who knows.

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Qualifications of elders question

by charity7 in

hi guys!

i thought you guys would be able to clarify something for me.

according to jw’s what qualifies you to become an elder and who does the appointing?

MrRoboto

FedUpJW - I've seen lots of remarried elders..

There's quite a lack of consistency in applying the rules.. My guess is someone(s) didn't like you (or liked someone else more.. like maybe family members - there's a lot of that too)

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What makes you---YOU?

by eyeuse2badub in

of course this is an open ended question but have you ever really thought about what makes you who you are?.

is it our looks, our personality, our physique, our intelligence, our experiences and subsequent memories, our beliefs?

is it a combination of all these things and even more?

MrRoboto

I would agree that it would be a copy, according to JW theology but if you go with the idea that a spirit or soul survives death, then it would be plausible to give that a body back and have it be the same person.

on another note..

In one of my classes in school there was a Muslim girl who always wore a partial head covering (pardon my ignorance for terminology) but not on her face. She was always so gentle and nice, getting good grades and hard working.

When she came back after some months being gone due to a car accident, she had amnesia. She was a completely different person.

Slacking at school, getting in with wrong crowd, more of a 'bad girl' attitude than the nice girl I was used to. She didn't wear her head covering anymore.

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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors

by Earnest in

jw
friends

tonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.

it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.

they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.

MrRoboto

People get confused as to what science is and does.

Science doesn't DO or believe (or say, or prove).

Science is the study of the world (or universe) around us in an attempt to better understand it.

When done without bias, science is a useful tool to coming to a better plausible understanding of how things are (or were) and can be used to falsify some ideas or reinforce others.

When used inappropriately, it can help control large masses of people, rob people of money/energy/life.

Too much of "science" today is just grant-chasing b.s. and special interest which helps keep us ignorant on so many levels.

Yay! for science

Boo! for selfish people

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Qualifications of elders question

by charity7 in

hi guys!

i thought you guys would be able to clarify something for me.

according to jw’s what qualifies you to become an elder and who does the appointing?

MrRoboto

They are appointed by Holly spirit.

HahahaHahahaHahaha!

Hey speaking of "husband of one wife", can anyone point me to where Jesus or his guys specifically did away with polygamy? or concubines? Serious question.

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12 june 2018 what to say

by LostAdam in

hi eveyone, my sis told me something like where will i be after that day.

i couldnt realize at first what she meant, but i found this on net donald-trump-kim-jong-un-meeting-singapore-june-12/.

i found her reaction so pathetic, but i think she is really sorry for me leaving.. so how to do you reply to jw family or generally when news about world peace comes out?.

MrRoboto

The King of the north is so obvious..

He has a massive army, even if they are only so tall. Fat and happy, he favors wearing blood colored uniforms. Has his own personal aircraft. Each year, he sends out his clones in a massive propaganda campaign, mostly to malls and street corners. Every winter he goes around bribing all the children of the world to take his side.

Yes the king of the north is none other than...

Santa!

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JWs and daily Bible reading schedule

by AuntBee in

jws often point to this, to show outsiders they are allowed to read the bible on their own without the publications.

although, as we know, the org still teaches that you will never progress along the road to life without the pubs.

and, i would imagine that what they learn/conclude from their own bible reading, must remain within the confines of current wt teaching, even on the most minute points of doctrine.

MrRoboto

Yeah now my schedule matches Jehovah's - "One day is as a thousand years"

I read mine daily : )

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Evening gala/ball

by Researchedandenlightened in

jw
friends

can anyone tell me when, and why jehovahs witnesses hold evening gala,s / ball with full tuxedo,s and evening gowns ?

is it uk only as i have heard family throughout the uk attend these events (jw only) of course !.

what is the purpose of these events and how long have the dubs being doing so ?

MrRoboto

Been to a few similar get togethers here in US and can confirm that it seems primarily for expanding the dating pool but you get the occasional couple who just want to do something new. Good way to make new JW friends if you're into that sort of thing..

I also remember being suspicious when elders showed up, taking video of everyone in the room.... Hmmm... Or maybe it was just so they had something to look at when they got home, the girls were usually dressed up very nicely (and tightly, and not always entirely modestly)

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Even elders don’t know their beliefs

by Addison0998 in

i had a deep conversation with my elder father today about the bible.

first i talked to him about luke 16:19-31. the one where jesus makes this crazy illustration regarding the afterlife.

of course he had to look it up on the watchtower library to be spoon fed his beliefs.

MrRoboto

Dunedain - I've got a little more logic for you...

God knows everything and yet we need his son, who has been tested and knows what it's like to be human and to be tempted etc, to plead for us. Cuz, you know... Good doesn't know... Can't see what we go through or isn't very empathetic..?

According to Psalms 103:13,14 - Jah has compassion for us, knowing we are made from dust (I.e. inherently weak) and yet your weakness is your fault. (ok, turns out he's sorta empathetic.. but it's your fault still)

God so loved the world that... friendship with the world is enmity with god..

Your eternal life/destruction depends on you believing in a book that could be divinely inspired or just as easily been written as a tool of control and oppression, written before you were born where all the witnesses have been long dead and the important parts are not verifiable - I.e. you have to have blind belief about it all or you die for forever. Now that's love!

And I guess those inconsistencies in the bible are just there to test your faith...? How many angels at Jesus tomb again? And did the girls go and tell everyone...? Or was it that they told noone out of fear?

Oh, and lets put a tree in the garden for absolutely no reason... Then we'll tell the humans not to eat of it.... WTF is the point?

He is our potter, we are the clay and the clay cannot resist the potter yet we are supposed to put forth effort to be molded by him but if he moulds us into a vessel of dishonor, is our fault.

I could go on... and on.. and on...

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Even elders don’t know their beliefs

by Addison0998 in

i had a deep conversation with my elder father today about the bible.

first i talked to him about luke 16:19-31. the one where jesus makes this crazy illustration regarding the afterlife.

of course he had to look it up on the watchtower library to be spoon fed his beliefs.

MrRoboto

I have had mild success in waking up another (family member) using questions to draw them out more. You have to be careful not to get then to the point of shutting down though.

How you went about it seems like you were able to plant seeds... You could show him the whole line of kings, working forward in time, showing how long they ruled and show how the time line doesn't match 607...

You can use ONLY JW material for this, as their times line up with secular times (number of years ruling does, but the actual dates/years are diff) someone posted the whole time line w/ organizational references here a while back (less than a year ago I think ) alot is in the insight books, you may need to find some old WTs and KMs too though

That being said, walking someone up and getting then to want to leave are 2 very different things.. The first may be easy if done right and by the right person (close family may be ok, but a friend from the hall may not be) but the second may be impossible depending on circumstances and personality of the newly awakened