if jehovah is a “ perfect “ god and our everlasting life is in the balance - why then does a perfect god give us a very imperfect guide book “ bible “ one that is open for interpretation hundreds - or more - different ways.
if you look at it as an instruction book , it most likely is the worst written instruction book in mankind’s history.
i cannot interpret an instruction book on “ flying a plane “ , it only has one interpretation as your life depends on it , but alas it was written by imperfect men.
CovertSadJW feel free to ask questions here, make new posts if you want, you'll find alot of support and answers here.
I dont risk talking to any JWs about this stuff except here and 1 very close semi-awakened family member that wont make a thing of it. Everyone else is off limits, at least until I draw my line in the sand - im pimo for now but at my wits end with these nutters.
if jehovah is a “ perfect “ god and our everlasting life is in the balance - why then does a perfect god give us a very imperfect guide book “ bible “ one that is open for interpretation hundreds - or more - different ways.
if you look at it as an instruction book , it most likely is the worst written instruction book in mankind’s history.
i cannot interpret an instruction book on “ flying a plane “ , it only has one interpretation as your life depends on it , but alas it was written by imperfect men.
Dude, you obviously are just blinded by the devil! Otherwise you would have the correct interpretation of the bible, which incidentally coincides with the JW interpretation. Duh!
Ok j/k. Yes the bible is not internally consistent. that does not mean there is no god, but it means that it is not the "word" of a perfect loving god. A loving perfect gid would ensure that his word was consistent, unadulterated and available to all, and that all would have a complete understanding of salvation and the requirements therefor. He would also make it abundantly obvious that it is actually his word, without question.
I dont know, maybe a burning bush could recite the words day and night or something. Or maybe miracles could be abundant and based on this "word" as supposedly happened in times past.
Wishful thinking I suppose. that doesnt prove a lack of god but helps make a good case against a loving fatherly god at the least.
if you are a former jw elder, can you share any examples of corruption which you personally witnessed that were kept secret from the congregation?
following is an account from a longtime elder named tommy who recently disassociated.. the minor daughter of a presiding elder in a west texas congregation committed fornication with a 19-year old baptized witness in her father’s home.
the daughter had to confess to a judicial committee which included the aforementioned tommy.
Im not privy to that level of depth of knowledge at the hall where I go. I dont have friends there and try to mind my business and I dont want to know about their petty shenanigans.
Having said that, it does seem like most of the elders are pimo and some seem to intentionally say and do things in ways that wont get them caught but still heavily discourage the r&f in various ways. things like having an puffy-head attitude, having pioneer and elder appreciation dinners (cuz if yer not those, you're nothing) making only family members into MS or elder, forgetting to give talk slips, changing talk schedules without informing the folks who it affects, sometimes just 1 day before hand. As much as I hated it when I was all in, it probably helped me to see ttatt.
Thats an elder corruption I wont complain about if it helps wake people up.
was the doj, nsa, and fbi weaponized?
the biggest scandal of this era, or a false alarm by the gop?
i am skeptical what will come of it, however, some very strong reactions and words are coming from its existence and those who read it, also the fight to keep it secret is telling (reminds me of any cult trying to prevent people from reading damaging information).
Every law requiring secrecy leads to abuse.
Its human nature, just as believing that someone else is watching every move tends to change peoples' behavior in a positive way.
The 3 letter agencies have been weaponized for many many years.
the real question is whether we should treat anythng that comes out of them to the public as truth or simply as subjective / possible propaganda with purpose.
i have been meeting with member's of the kingdom hall, and i have attended a few times now on sundays.
i'd like to discuss experiences with this group since i'm new.
so far, i love it.
I agree with the "troll" designation, though perhaps Im wrong.
Reason being that only JWs call it "the truth" with the exception of some who left but are still using the JWisms they've used for years. those are pretty rare though.
since blondie seems to still be on sabbatical, i'll take the liberty of highlighting a couple of "gems" from this week's upcoming study, from the article "reject worldly thinking".. from paragraph 12:.
is it true that succeeding in a secular career that offers power and prestige leads to lasting happiness?
remember that the craving to control others and the longing to be admired are the desires that enticed satan, but he is angry, not happy.. .
Lonzo, I was just thinking the same thing. Makes you wonder if the GB really ever read this stuff before its printed, surely they would catch on that it's all about them...?
Or maybe not.
jws teach babylon the great is the whole empire of false religion.
interestingly, bible’s definition of it would include jws also because it is the entity “that rules over the kings of the earth.” (rev 17:18) since revelation is given in symbols (rev 1:1) “kings” cannot be literal, but can mean minds of people because mind acts like king over everyone’s bodily kingdom.. no one exerts power over the minds of jws like their gb does.
just like members of other religions blindly follow what their leaders teach, jws too do—even when changes that are introduced under the guise of “new light” are virtually numerous.
Then there's another interpretation of "earth" which would be something more like the Jewish system at the time. Some preterists ascribe to this idea as it seems to make more sense given the rest of revelation.
by committing spiritual adultery, as she often did, Israel became a harlot, this is confirmed by the bible. There's a lot more in revelation that points to Israel/Jerusalem being Babylon the great, mother of the prostitutes.
Anyone remember what her fate was supposed to be? And the "this generation" that Jesus was speaking to would have witnessed it all.
I'd be a preterist for sure if I still believed in the infallibility of the bible.
(preterists believe some or all of the end time prophecies were fulfilled in the 1st century, centering on the destruction of Jerusalem)
will they be making a lot of their gb helpers full fledge gb?
i think as they continue to loose money and members and contributions dry up, that many might be thinking how to get out of this financial mess with some sort of golden parachute, and hand over the reigns to their helpers.. i'm sure with all this bad that is happening to the corporation they would welcome an early retirement with a nice comfy nest egg away from all this bad publicity away from the public eye.
why do they want to keep fighting a losing battle give over their power for a nice comfy retirement.
the old "under new management" deal might cause a short-lived boom in fundraising but ultimately too many people are waking up to continue for too long before money dries up, in my oppinion.
if they did a switcharoo, it would probaby be sometime after the memorial so the helpers can officially partake and be counted as annointed.
then again, there's always the koolaid option. you could even work that into the memorial somehow.
i was watching a fascinating ted-ex video on hypnosis and hypnotism with a friend.
my friend wondered if the jws new music might have a hypnotic suggestion buried somewhere in it which gets everyone in attendance to listen and absorb stuff that is totally irrational for the entire program.
ending with a second subliminal message in the final song along the lines of "you will snap out of this state when you next hear the word amen.
Perhaps whats really happening is that the late comers are really the JWs who are not all that into it anyways (why else would you be late instead of 1hr early, duh!?)
I wonder if number of minutes late can be correlated to how into it a JW is, it would be impossible to prove though.
since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.
two of which are life drawing and photography.
i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.
goog thing you stepped in and helped her keep from haveing to explain things.
imagine the awkward conversations at the kingom hall
"so, newly interested one, how did you hear about the truth?"
"well, this nude modelling sister told me about not celebrating xmas and i had to know more and so now im here"
more awkward if the new "one" was a man.
