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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

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  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  no-zombie

  In that the woman in question …..She was also a adulteress not a prostitute who was in the 'business' Which is a far cry from the shameless OnlyFans girls who publicly promote their 'alternate lifestyle' ... unlike street prostitutes who work in the shadows of society.

  So you’re saying that on a scale of 1-10 for sin, 10 being the worst, an adulteress is a 1 prostitute in business is a 5 and a girl on OnlyFans is a 10.

  1 Corthians 6: 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral…….. nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men …….will inherit the kingdom of God.

  According to this bible verse, Adulterers AND a sexually immoral persons get the same punishment. Neither will inherit God’s Kingdom. It does not distinguish between a prostitute and an adulteress.

  In fact, it was religious leaders throughout the ages that started rating sin in degrees. That’s why many Catholic priests usually ask the person in confession;

  “And How Many times did you do this my child?” (number given) Priest says;

  “Say Ten Hail Mary's and 15 Our Fathers”

  But like I said Before; MORALS ARE SUBJECTIVE. And the example in John 8 proves my point that Morals are subjective. Just look closely at what happened.

  The Pharisees interrupted Jesus and they Drag in a women caught in the act of Adultery and remind Him; “in the Law, Moses, Commanded us to Stone such Woman, so what do you say?”

  Now, who did Moses get that law from? Moses got that law to stone such woman caught in Adultery from GOD.

  So where was Jesus when God gave that command that a woman committing sexual relations with another married person, should be stone? Was Jesus in another room in heaven and didn’t hear God give that command to Moses? Was Jesus unaware of God’s thinking in this matter?

  See they put Jesus in a pickle. Because if He says; “Stone Her” he contradicts His Image of this compassionate, moral reformer. Plus, He would also be violating Roman Law, which forbade Jews from carrying out executions. He would be arrested.

  But if He says; “Don’t Stone Her” He is Denying the Law of Moses and is going against GOD’S OWN COMMANDMENTS.

  Now if Morals were from God they would be Objective. Truth would be Truth under any circumstances. OnlyFans, Prostitutes, or just some woman sleeping with a man once, would all carry the same penalty.

  There would be no debate that a woman committing adultery deserved to be stoned. The Law of Moses DID NOT ALLOW ROOM FOR A “contrite and repentant attitude” ……..Like you mentioned in your post.

  The law was very specific. A woman caught committing adultery was to be stoned, Regardless.

  So from the perspective of seeking the truth with regards to what type of sexual proclivities are considered BAD, vs NOT SO BAD, this example, if you believe Jesus, is very subjective.

  In fact, any person that was there at the scene and seeking the truth in these matters of whether this type of sexual conduct was right or wrong, would leave learning NOTHING AT ALL.

  Because Jesus doesn’t say if the law of Moses is right or wrong, and neither does he say if the woman is innocent or guilty.

  And Why Doesn’t Jesus call out the man’s actions, since it takes two people to commit adultery?

  Because Jesus was the product of His Time and Place and only saw the error of the Woman and sidestep the ISSUE and turned the focus on the accuser’s own Sins. Shaming people to get out of a tough spot.

  And what made it worse for any sincere person seeking the Truth in these matters, Jesus walked away, leaving the woman’s legal issue UNRESOLVED, as well as the spiritual aspect of the matter.

  That example in John 8 just reinforces that the differing sexual conduct that these girls are involved in is subjective based on Culture, Country, legal, and religious indoctrination.

  There is no such thing as “Divine Definitions” on what’s a sin and what’s not a sin. Neither is there “Degrees of Sin” from a Divine Source.

  All Degrees of sin are of Human Origin. Based on culture, personal preference, religious indoctrination, and tribal law.

  That’s why the Watchtower can have legal doctrine that says if a man touches a woman’s genitalia, it’s grounds for divorce. But in other Christian organizations, that would not be grounds for divorce.

  It’s all subjective.

  And if you feel Girls that do OnlyFans have God’s disfavor, that’s you’re right. But I wouldn’t hold my breath believing God is going to destroy them, because women have been doing this type of behavior for hundreds of thousands of years, and their relatives millions of years, and as of yet, no Omniscient, Omnipotent, Benevolent God has stepped up to condemn them.

  Only Humans condemn other Humans!
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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  Anony Mous

  I don’t agree that morals are subjective, that would mean we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality.

  Morals being subjective Does Not Mean that we should accept the fact JW org breeds immorality or anything for that matter.

  Subjective refers to something that is based on personal opinions, feelings, or beliefs rather than on objective facts. It often describes individual perspectives that can vary from person to person.

  My example above makes this point;

  Example; A child can grow up as a soldier in a “holy war”, or it can grow up as a humanitarian- and neither would think they are doing the wrong thing.

  (Because it describes ‘Individual perspective based on personal opinions, feelings, beliefs rather than on objective facts.)

  no-zombie

  Firstly, OnlyFans girls are not making 5 million dollars per month by "just posing naked" online. No ... they are doing a hell lot more, for that kind of money.

  A lot of them do make millions per month, and a lot of them Don’t. It’s a business, some make it some don’t.

  However regardless of what they do, to me, they are no better than drug dealers ... people who have completely sold out their principles for money.

  You are entitled to your own opinion, but me personally, I’m not one to condemn these young girls trying to make their way in this heartless world. I’m not one to throw the First stone.

  But be my guest, you throw the first stone.

  John 8; The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?”They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

  But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

  At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

  “No one, sir,” she said.

  “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  no-zombie

  Liam are you admiring OnlyFan girls because they make a lot of money?

  Who said I'm admiring them?

  You seem to "Think" you are smart enough or maybe psychic, that you can make a judgement call on people, just by reading a few sentences on some post on the internet.

  . its because they are "past all moral sense" and clearly love money and what money buys, above all else

  Morals are subjective.
  

  Morals are rules created by humanity, mostly out of emotional expression and the emotions we experience by the actions we do.

  A child can grow up as a soldier in a “holy war”, or it can grow up as a humanitarian- and neither would think they are doing the wrong thing.

  In addition, there is no way that any baptized Jehovah's Witness would could remain an OnlyFans sex worker without being disfellowshiped. And if some of those girls are still attending meetings, while being so comfortable very publicly prostituting themselves

  Where have you been living the past decade?

  The Governing Body of Jehovah's Wtinesses are rife with thousands of Child Sex Abuse coverups. Hundreds of elders have been caught sexually abusing children for years. These are Grown Ass Men, who were "Chosen" by Holy Spirit and who have sexually molested children as young as 5 years old for years. Men who are examples to the congregation and spiritual leaders for all to imitate. And yet 9 million people still follow them as God's only Channel. Some men, even with that knowledge, choose to continue to be elders and support the organization.

  And yet it's "Inconceivable" for you to believe that young inexperience girls are on OnlyFans and still attend the Kingdom Hall. Why do you think High Power Celebrities and Sports figures who are Jehovah Witnesses can do the same thing and get away with it?

  Grow up man! Accept and learn to live in the Real World, not some fantasy concept that you probably developed when you were indoctrinated in a doomsday religious Cult.

  I can almost guarantee that if you were 18 years old in the Jehovah Witness organization and you were poor, you parents were struggling just to live, and you were a pretty female, and an opportunity arouse where you make a 10 minute video posing naked and got paid 5 million dollars a Month, and it was Legal according to the Law in the Country you live in............You would be doing the same thing.

  But go ahead and deny it. Just like Stephen Lett denied the pedophile problem in the Organization.
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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  If Onlyfans was around when I was young, I would have made a fortune!

  Yep, it's not the first time I hear this. I guess Covid changed a lot of things besides the downfall of the Watchtower.
  

  OnlyFans was founded in November 2016 by Tim Stokely. The platform gained significant popularity during the COVID-19 pandemic, especially among content creators.

  Most people will Never make One Million in their entire lives. But many young girls under 25 are making several million EACH MONTH.

  A lot of young Jehovah's Witness girls are not dumb financially. They don't have to go to college if they are pretty. They figure out through the internet how to contact some creators for Only Fans and start making millions as young as 18 years of age.

  Women had no chance Before the internet. Now they have a chance to become millionaires in their early twenties without having to go to a University and work their ass off.

  Something interesting also is none of the Jehovah witness girls I know that do OnlyFans want to get married or have children. I guess they are enjoying traveling all over the place and buying homes and cars in every State.
  

  Some of OnlyFans’ wealthiest creators include some big names, with one earning nearly $10 million monthly.

  Australian rapper Iggy Azalea, 33, earns around $9.2 million per month from creating content on the platform.

  Her monthly subscription price is placed at $25, and is estimated to generate around $307k in a day.

  Just below that monthly figure is Coco Austin, an American TV personality and wife of rapper Ice T.

  She charges $19 a month to subscribers, and reportedly rakes in around $9 million per month

  2024 is Bella Thorne The former child actor is said to have a whopping $11 million going into her bank account each month.
  
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  I was going to write a new topic ... but now I just can't be bothered

  by no-zombie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.

  and while i was going to spend some time writing about the virtues of our faith's strict moral standards ... i now understand that i'd only be flamed as a watchtower apologist.. that being said, out of the approximately 4 million onlyfan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are jehovah's witnesses..

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  That being said, out of the approximately 4 million OnlyFan girls out there ... it obvious, that none are Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Sorry to tell you this, but I know several Jehovah's Witnesses girls under the age of 25 who are OnlyFans girls.

  A few of the parents found out, but it's not because someone told on them. It's because these young girls started buying beautiful homes for their parents. So when they found out what their daughters did for a living, instead of getting mad, they understood it wasn't that bad after all.

  One elder even stepped down as an elder. But I can't blame him. The guy was struggling financially. He had no higher education or trade because he started pioneering early and had done so along with his wife for years. Now in their late forties, they lived in a small travel trailer and had no hope of getting better financially.

  So imagine if that is your situation, you are approaching your 50s, and live in a travel trailer, work odd jobs just to make it, and your daughter buys you a freaking 3000 sq. ft home cash, and a Brand New Grand Wagoneer cash.

  Are you going to get mad at your daughter for being on OnlyFans?
  

  I DON'T THINK SO!

  Plus, OnlyFans is not considered that bad anymore. What's considered Bad now-days is what Bonnie Blue started. The Mattress Girl started a New Trend that other girls are following.

  Welcome to the New Generation.
  

  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PKAOQkffwW0
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  The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

  by slimboyfat in

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  rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

  as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

  that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

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  God is sufficient in himself. He doesn't require another, but he chooses to create others as an expression of love,

  If you were GOD, would you have put a Tree of Good and Bad in the Middle of the Garden to test the first Couple you Created. Why or Why Not?

  I asked a PIMI Elder with four children that question. At first he said Yes to test their loyalty. I asked him; "Why don't you do that now. Test your children's loyalty and include death for disobedience.

  He thought about it for a while, then He said; "We'll I just couldn't do that, my kids are innocent and I love them too much.

  Interesting when you put PIMIs in the same shoes. They can't seem to do what their God does to humans.

  If because of LOVE, God decided he wanted to share LIFE with someone. So He decided to Create Humans. Put them in a paradise earth and let them live forever.

  Why would he put a tree in the middle of the Garden to Test their loyalty?

  It makes no sense because now it's not about LOVE, it' about one's sense of self importance. Meaning this God is not a God who needs nothing. But it's a Being that needs Self-validation. He can't live eternally without, relying on external approval.

  Now we are talking about a Creator.

  We are not talking about an Omniscient, Omnipotent, Benevolent God.

  There's a difference!

  
  

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1j9msta/if_you_were_god_would_you_have_put_a_tree_of_good/

  
  

  
  
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  What the new JW light position really is 👍

  by ElderBerry in

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  i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

  as my fellow elders are.

  we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

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  They do shadow birthday celebrations and ignore most of the directions from the fat old men in upstate NY.

  They are basically just Teaching their children to be Liars and Hypocrites. This is how evil people are made!

  The next generation of Jehovah's Witnesses will be the worse of the worse. Leading double lives in Society will be normal for them.

  Elderberry is a good example of a person who leads a double life. He is one you don't want to be friends with because he can't be trusted.

  He doesn't have the Moral norms that are accepted standards or ways of behaving that most people in a community agree upon that guide individuals on what is considered right or wrong society.

  He is the King David of modern times.
  
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  What is this?

  by Achille in

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  2. bible

  this image is from "the watchtower" july 2024 (study edition):i can't figure out what that object is that is between the sleeping apostles.wath is it?

  a stick, a scroll of the scriptures?

  ....

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  It's exactly what you're thinking it is!
  
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  What the new JW light position really is 👍

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

  as my fellow elders are.

  we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

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  ElderBerry

  It’s just the same in many other religions there are many who do Not believe it is true

  So your entire belief system is based on what THE CROWD does or doesn’t do! The ideology you ascribe to reflects idiocy.

  “Stupidity has been described as a powerful and destructive force that permeates individuals as well as society, and poses a far Greater Danger than evil itself. The reason being is because evil can be resisted using reason and moral Principles.

  But Stupidity is virtually invulnerable to rational influence.”

  “Stupidity manifest itself as Active resistance to Critical Thinking and a conscious refusal to analyze One’s own actions, ideas, and their consequences.”

  “Such a person is unwilling to reflect doubt, or put his beliefs to the test. Unlike evil, which can be curbed through argument and persuasion, Stupidity is not intellectually amenable. It stubbornly resists awareness and shows no capacity for correction and change”

  "This pernicious way of thinking that you have embraced, is embodied in the historical realities of authoritarian regimes, especially in the heyday of Nazism. Where Ordinary citizens with an ideology like yours, became the corner stone for the success of Nazism."

  “The refusal to critically analyze and question the infallibility of authority, allowed the Nazi machine to commit atrocities on a grand scale without equal in our modern times. The destructive power of the genocide committed by the Nazi Regime lay not in the power of the regime itself,

  But Rather in the lack of resistance on the part of people who lost their sensitivity to moral and intellectual demands.”

  And this is why the Watchtower will continue to be the cause for many-many more innocent children to be sexually abuse. Because elders who wake up to all the atrocities the Watchtower is committing, continue to serve as elders for a corporation who continues to destroy hundreds if not thousands of children's lives.
  

  It’s now easier than ever. There’s no real sacrifice and no real obligations just all the good things.

  The blood doctrine for example seems to be getting a lot lighter compared to in the past

  Regardless of what you say, hundreds of Mothers, Fathers, and underage children World Wide, will continue to commit suicide this year, unknowingly because “Elders” have to enforce the Blood doctrine because it’s still valid if you want to be a Jehovah Witness. YOU CANNOT BE AN ELDER IF YOU DON’T ENFORCE WATCHTOWER’S NO BLOOD TRANSFUSION POLICY!

  “You are like Adolf Eichmann. Hannah Arendt (a German Historian) said that the worst evil in modern society does not necessarily come from “the most evil or monstrous individuals, but rather from the ordinariness of those who commit terrible acts without thinking of the consequences.”

  “Ordinary people become agents of evil through blind obedience and the suppression of critical thinking”

  “According to Arendt, Adolf Eichmann who was one of the Key Organizers of the Holocaust, was not particular evil, he appeared as an ordinary human devoid of moral reflection who thoughtlessly carried out Orders without regard to the Humans suffering his orders would inflict on millions of innocent humans.”

  In the end, Adolf Eichmann kept insisting that he had no authority in the Nazi hierarchy and was only following orders.

  He kept trying to pursue the judges that he was trying to lessen the pain the Nazi regime was inflicting on the innocent victims.

  He tried to defend his actions with some of the Good he did for the victims. Even trying to lessen the punishment for many like you claim you do as an elder dealing with Jws in judicial committees.

  The judges saw the hypocrisy and had him executed.

  You can’t be Awake and willingly continue to be an Elder and say you are not as responsible for all the evil the Watchtower does. You can’t pretend you are helping people. You are part the of reason the Watchtower continues to exist. You will be part of the reason many will die this year because of not accepting a blood transfusion. You will be part of the machinery, that will rape, sodomize, dehumanize, hundreds of children this year and get away with it.

  You are Morally deficient. You lack the ability to adhere to accepted moral norms or values.
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  What the new JW light position really is 👍

  by ElderBerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.

  as my fellow elders are.

  we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.

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  carla -------I agree with what you said.
  

  What matters is that those who continue to support the Watchtower in ANY WAY or FORM, continue to give them power to stay in business and condemn THOUSANDS to death with their no...

  Blood policy

  Shunning policy

  Free labor policy

  No Higher Education policy

  Retirement disastrous Policy

  Plus the MILLIONS of lives it has destroyed, including most that post here and threw 20-30-40-50 years of their life away, serving a criminal organization who sole purpose is to deceive people into believing they are GOD'S ONLY CHANNEL FOR SALVATION,