Posts by Tallyman

One can only hope this special message will encourage and upbuild
and reveal to you Finally, At Long Last, in your Ego Chill,
that your Fate and your Paradisaic Civilization,
will take its rightful place
alongside another.

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

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much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

KOMF,

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Tom Talley

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

KOMF,

Hi. Sure I'm still here. Why wouldn't I be?

All the usual reasons anybody's gone from the forum for a while.

And would those usual reasons include antisocial behavior?

You say "maybe" in that quote, but the post as a whole has me tried and convicted before you even hear my reply... a surprising attitude, considering how it stung you when people did it with you.

"maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe", "obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

All those words, I used, non-judgmental words, and then I ended it with a "did I misunderstand your statement?" and a "maybe I missed it on H2O that you retracted or revised those statements you made?"...

THAT is "trying and convicting" you before I hear a reply?

I hardly 'tried and convicted' you.

And I see that the pre-conviction still stands even after my assurance to you that the reference was not to that incident.

No, after hearing your "explanation" of it, I buy into even less your description of it being a "tongue-in-cheek" exaggeration.

I hope you'll be able to grasp that fact that there was no slight to you in anything I said. If not... oh, well.

Just like there was no "slight" in referring to me as "obnoxious" and "antisocial"... you gotta be kidding, rite? NOW, you're using a little 'tongue-in-cheek' humor, rite?

They answered your questions, presented the facts, and
explained my thoughts clearly. I'm happy with them.

Only in YOUR mind, they did. Only YOU are happy with them.
You didn't help me out on my puzzlement, on just what a "clear" subtlety is? How could such a thing exist? A 'clear subtlety' would be a bit of an oxymoron, wouldn't it?

Whether you accept them or not is your choice, as we all know.

By now, you've probably guessed, I don't accept "them".
I think it's more a case of - how did mommy put it? - "weasling" .

BTW, what did you mean by another "case of aggression"...?
Farkel and I had been talking about my "case" and he relayed that in his post to the people I know on H2O?

What did you mean? "case", - singular - "of aggression" . What "aggression" were you referring to, apart from the context of the "aggression" that took place concerning my "case" - (and talking about who the aggressor was and who the victim(s) were) ...again, the "case" of which Farkel and I had been discussing?

You never did explain that part.

Doug spoke of your demeanor on the phone. I remarked on its contrast with the Tallyman persona.

Yeah, so?
I was in the Lowest Ebb of My Life, when Doug and I talked on the phone. My "demeanor" would have been in "contrast with" WHATEVER persona I had exhibited on the Internet, before that point.

You have the same internet distance and invisibility that everyone else on the internet has.

Then if you believe that, why single me out as being NOT LIKE everyone else on the Internet? Why make the "contrast" you did? Is EVERYONE else on the Internet the same? Is EVERYONE else, like all those jWs and X-jWs, the same talking on the Internet as they would talk in person, at arm's length, as you put it?

Is EVERYONE else on the Internet, who has the same distance and invisibility as you claim I have, ... also "obnoxious", "aggressive" and "antisocial".

(especially the really Anonymous Ones, unlike me)

You claim to be the SAME person in Real Life as you are on the Internet. Does that mean you are a phony in Real Life, who hides behind an alias?

We severely disagree on the meaning of "Internet Distance and Invisibility".

"others" ...read those same comments by you... and "understood" them and "interpreted" them, the same way as me.

I thought you said that you didn't do that. Remember this?
maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe",
"obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

D'oh! Yeah, I "remember" them, KOMF. I just wrote them this afternoon.

All those- key words and symbols, KOMF.

You either did, or you didn't, Tom. Which is it?

What did you read? You didn't read where I said:
"Maybe I misinterpreted you badly, KOMF"... but I DID interpret your words.
Sure I did. I said so. How many times do you need to read it,
to decide "which is it"?

I thought I correctly "understood" your words, your drift.
Like "others" did.
Like "Uncle Bruce" who found your words "curious"... and having it cross
his mind that maybe you were "thinking the worst" ... and writing it,
whereas, he admitted it crossing his mind, but he didn't dare write it...
because he didn't want to "try and convict" me, before all the facts came out,
or even give that impression.

Real names, addresses and pictures have nothing to do with it.

Says you! Real names, addresses, phone numbers, pictures... have EVERYTHING to do with it. ANONYMITY is what "Internet Distance and Invisibility" is all about. The "anonymous nature" the Internet so easily affords a person, is one of the main catalysts for "bold and aggressive" behaviour.

So, why would the Tallyman "persona" be so bold as to say the things he has over the years, WITHOUT the benefit of anonymity?
Because, maybe that is the way he really "speaks" (sometimes?) in real life?
So, where is your "contrast"?
What does soft-spokenness, slow-talking or Southern drawl or sensitivity, or whatever, have to do with it?

I have manners. I show courtesy. I know proper phone etiquette.
WHY would I launch into my "Tallyman persona" with a first time caller, like Doug Checketts, who was very polite himself. Very caring and very concerned about my welfare...

Why in heavens name would I go into an "aggressive KultKrimeFighting mode" speaking for the first time with Doug Checketts on the phone?

And you say "what you see is what you get" about yerself. "Same in person as on the Internet". BullShit to that, hoss! Who do you think believes that?

Being out of arm's reach of the one you're addressing... that's what internet distance and invisibility is.

BullShit to that, too!
You're concerned about "being out of arm's reach" when on the Internet? As if someone would strike you, if you were talking to them in person, the same way you write on the Internet?

The only one(s) I know of that should have that type of concern here on the DB,
is "You Know", when he made those horrible comments about Farkel's Dad's illness,
or was that "LurkerNoMore"... anyway, Farkel let that person know that he would be in danger of bodily harm if he was in "arm's reach"...

But why should you have that kind of concern?

You're not in the same camp as those jokers, are you?

TT

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

KOMF,

Hi, Tom. Glad to see you're still here,

Hi.
Sure I'm still here.
Why wouldn't I be?
I mean, it's not like I'm a n t i - s o c i a l , or anything.

and that you read my replies to your posts.

Yesss.

They answered your questions, presented the facts, and
explained my thoughts clearly.

Well, of course, they didn't.

Remember, "subtleties" were at work in your words.

What is a "clear" subtlety like?

I don't believe I have ever seen one.

I'm happy with them.

You would be.

Whether you accept them or not is your choice, as we all know.

Thank you for stating the Obvious.

My goodness, you were not being a tad bit subtle, there!

There's one thing yet unclear to me though,

Only "one"?

and I wonder if you'd mind explaining it for me.
As you know, I put this question to Farkel way back when, speaking of you:
quote:
Another case of aggression emerging from behind the shields
of internet distance and invisibility?
You explained that you took this to mean that I was saying
you shot your brother, not in defense, but aggressively.

Your reading comprehension is not up to snuff, KOMF.

Here is what I "explained", last week in part 3 of my (sensitive)"Sharing":

But the thing you said in your H2O Slam about "aggression"...
maybe I interpreted that badly, but from your reply to the context
of Farkel's thread, I saw that as you implying I was the aggressor,
in the family tragedy Farkel and I had talked about on the phone...
that maybe you were referring obliquely to my "case" and that maybe
my "aggressive" Tallyman KKF persona had spilled over into Real Life...
that it had "emerged" ... and fantasy became reality?

Or did I misunderstand you there, COMF?

Here, if you need to read it again, this time for understanding:

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Sharing3.html

"maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe",
"obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

All those- key words and symbols, KOMF.

My question is: in that interpretation,
what did you do with the reference to the internet?

See above.

Why did YOU bring up the internet, when Farkel and I did not talk
at all about the Internet?

Your reply was to the CONTEXT of Farkel's H2O post, was it not?
(all the other posters on Farkel's thread replied to his context)

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Dougie.html

He wrote nothing of the Internet or of the "Tallyman" persona.
(because we had not talked over the phone about that)

Why did you bring it up, except to make your strange and mysterious
and suggestive point? (read: 'subtle')

Where would "internet distance and invisibility"
come into play in the confrontation between you and your brother?

It wouldn't.
Of course.
And since I have never had any "internet distance or invisibility"...
it makes your comments all the more mysterious and oblique.

And as I write, in my comments in this thread, to Farkel,
"others", (like Uncle Bruce) not distraught, like myself, at the time
read those same comments by you... and "understood" them
and "interpreted" them, the same way as me.

Not goodly.

Thanks in advance for your answer.
KOMF

Why, y'all are sho nuff welcome, in advance, too!

Y'all come back now, y'hear?

signed:
Tom Talley (yes! a REAL name!)

p.s. KOMF, since I was so responsive to your question,
do you mind me asking you a question?

Why, if you are trying to remain anonymous on the Internet,
and don't want your jW son finding out about your "activities"...
Why In The Hell do you keep putting up your facial photograph
next to every post you make... for someone to "make" you?

Why?

Thanks in advance for your answer!

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Cautious,

(In my best Elvis impersonation)

"Thankew,ThankewVermuch!"

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

T4Self,

not to cause offense, but when you say:

I find that ones' intelligence could be put to better use than using wit
and sarcasm to castigate another human being.

I was wondering, WHO do you mean "castigated" WHO ?

and,

Because of my own life experiences, people who use sarcasm
are many times suffering incredible pain...or are just mean spirited...

Certainly, you don't think those are the ONLY (TWO) options?

Sarcasm can be applied in Many Ways, Situations, Circumstances
for Many Different Reasons.

I love the way Elijah used it against the Ba'al priesthood.

Like 'Righteous Indignation', there is its first cousin, 'Righteous Sarcasm'.

You are of course welcome to continue this COMF bashing if you choose,

Tell me T4, how would you react and respond, if someone here on the DB
called you "obnoxious" and "antisocial".

Would you let those words about you hang in the air and float,
or would you refute them - At-The-Grave-Risk-Of-Being-Accused-Of-Bashing?

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Prisca,

I glad I hepped learnt you a new word 'paean', yestiddy.

Of course, the other word, 'rote' is a noun, but I saw fit to use it
as a verb. What, with being god, I'm allowed to take license.

And thank you, last week, for being the Only Person to give their
interpretation of the minor poem, INVICTUS, after I requested
open interpretations from others.

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Mommy, you l'il goddess, you!

I am glad to see that your BS Detector is in Fine Working Condition.

Some, after years in the Watchtower, have a hard time getting all those
clogs out of the filter in that little, but powerful, instrument.

And you know, thinking back, over nearly a decade online as the "Tallyman"...
I don't think I've ever said anything to come close to:
"Eat Shit and Die!"...
not even to the most Ardent WTFanatic, not even in my most
"obnoxious", "aggressive", "antisocial" mode.

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