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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

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much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

KOMF,

Hi. Sure I'm still here. Why wouldn't I be?

All the usual reasons anybody's gone from the forum for a while.

And would those usual reasons include antisocial behavior?

You say "maybe" in that quote, but the post as a whole has me tried and convicted before you even hear my reply... a surprising attitude, considering how it stung you when people did it with you.

"maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe", "obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

All those words, I used, non-judgmental words, and then I ended it with a "did I misunderstand your statement?" and a "maybe I missed it on H2O that you retracted or revised those statements you made?"...

THAT is "trying and convicting" you before I hear a reply?

I hardly 'tried and convicted' you.

And I see that the pre-conviction still stands even after my assurance to you that the reference was not to that incident.

No, after hearing your "explanation" of it, I buy into even less your description of it being a "tongue-in-cheek" exaggeration.

I hope you'll be able to grasp that fact that there was no slight to you in anything I said. If not... oh, well.

Just like there was no "slight" in referring to me as "obnoxious" and "antisocial"... you gotta be kidding, rite? NOW, you're using a little 'tongue-in-cheek' humor, rite?

They answered your questions, presented the facts, and
explained my thoughts clearly. I'm happy with them.

Only in YOUR mind, they did. Only YOU are happy with them.
You didn't help me out on my puzzlement, on just what a "clear" subtlety is? How could such a thing exist? A 'clear subtlety' would be a bit of an oxymoron, wouldn't it?

Whether you accept them or not is your choice, as we all know.

By now, you've probably guessed, I don't accept "them".
I think it's more a case of - how did mommy put it? - "weasling" .

BTW, what did you mean by another "case of aggression"...?
Farkel and I had been talking about my "case" and he relayed that in his post to the people I know on H2O?

What did you mean? "case", - singular - "of aggression" . What "aggression" were you referring to, apart from the context of the "aggression" that took place concerning my "case" - (and talking about who the aggressor was and who the victim(s) were) ...again, the "case" of which Farkel and I had been discussing?

You never did explain that part.

Doug spoke of your demeanor on the phone. I remarked on its contrast with the Tallyman persona.

Yeah, so?
I was in the Lowest Ebb of My Life, when Doug and I talked on the phone. My "demeanor" would have been in "contrast with" WHATEVER persona I had exhibited on the Internet, before that point.

You have the same internet distance and invisibility that everyone else on the internet has.

Then if you believe that, why single me out as being NOT LIKE everyone else on the Internet? Why make the "contrast" you did? Is EVERYONE else on the Internet the same? Is EVERYONE else, like all those jWs and X-jWs, the same talking on the Internet as they would talk in person, at arm's length, as you put it?

Is EVERYONE else on the Internet, who has the same distance and invisibility as you claim I have, ... also "obnoxious", "aggressive" and "antisocial".

(especially the really Anonymous Ones, unlike me)

You claim to be the SAME person in Real Life as you are on the Internet. Does that mean you are a phony in Real Life, who hides behind an alias?

We severely disagree on the meaning of "Internet Distance and Invisibility".

"others" ...read those same comments by you... and "understood" them and "interpreted" them, the same way as me.

I thought you said that you didn't do that. Remember this?
maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe",
"obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

D'oh! Yeah, I "remember" them, KOMF. I just wrote them this afternoon.

All those- key words and symbols, KOMF.

You either did, or you didn't, Tom. Which is it?

What did you read? You didn't read where I said:
"Maybe I misinterpreted you badly, KOMF"... but I DID interpret your words.
Sure I did. I said so. How many times do you need to read it,
to decide "which is it"?

I thought I correctly "understood" your words, your drift.
Like "others" did.
Like "Uncle Bruce" who found your words "curious"... and having it cross
his mind that maybe you were "thinking the worst" ... and writing it,
whereas, he admitted it crossing his mind, but he didn't dare write it...
because he didn't want to "try and convict" me, before all the facts came out,
or even give that impression.

Real names, addresses and pictures have nothing to do with it.

Says you! Real names, addresses, phone numbers, pictures... have EVERYTHING to do with it. ANONYMITY is what "Internet Distance and Invisibility" is all about. The "anonymous nature" the Internet so easily affords a person, is one of the main catalysts for "bold and aggressive" behaviour.

So, why would the Tallyman "persona" be so bold as to say the things he has over the years, WITHOUT the benefit of anonymity?
Because, maybe that is the way he really "speaks" (sometimes?) in real life?
So, where is your "contrast"?
What does soft-spokenness, slow-talking or Southern drawl or sensitivity, or whatever, have to do with it?

I have manners. I show courtesy. I know proper phone etiquette.
WHY would I launch into my "Tallyman persona" with a first time caller, like Doug Checketts, who was very polite himself. Very caring and very concerned about my welfare...

Why in heavens name would I go into an "aggressive KultKrimeFighting mode" speaking for the first time with Doug Checketts on the phone?

And you say "what you see is what you get" about yerself. "Same in person as on the Internet". BullShit to that, hoss! Who do you think believes that?

Being out of arm's reach of the one you're addressing... that's what internet distance and invisibility is.

BullShit to that, too!
You're concerned about "being out of arm's reach" when on the Internet? As if someone would strike you, if you were talking to them in person, the same way you write on the Internet?

The only one(s) I know of that should have that type of concern here on the DB,
is "You Know", when he made those horrible comments about Farkel's Dad's illness,
or was that "LurkerNoMore"... anyway, Farkel let that person know that he would be in danger of bodily harm if he was in "arm's reach"...

But why should you have that kind of concern?

You're not in the same camp as those jokers, are you?

TT

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

KOMF,

Hi, Tom. Glad to see you're still here,

Hi.
Sure I'm still here.
Why wouldn't I be?
I mean, it's not like I'm a n t i - s o c i a l , or anything.

and that you read my replies to your posts.

Yesss.

They answered your questions, presented the facts, and
explained my thoughts clearly.

Well, of course, they didn't.

Remember, "subtleties" were at work in your words.

What is a "clear" subtlety like?

I don't believe I have ever seen one.

I'm happy with them.

You would be.

Whether you accept them or not is your choice, as we all know.

Thank you for stating the Obvious.

My goodness, you were not being a tad bit subtle, there!

There's one thing yet unclear to me though,

Only "one"?

and I wonder if you'd mind explaining it for me.
As you know, I put this question to Farkel way back when, speaking of you:
quote:
Another case of aggression emerging from behind the shields
of internet distance and invisibility?
You explained that you took this to mean that I was saying
you shot your brother, not in defense, but aggressively.

Your reading comprehension is not up to snuff, KOMF.

Here is what I "explained", last week in part 3 of my (sensitive)"Sharing":

But the thing you said in your H2O Slam about "aggression"...
maybe I interpreted that badly, but from your reply to the context
of Farkel's thread, I saw that as you implying I was the aggressor,
in the family tragedy Farkel and I had talked about on the phone...
that maybe you were referring obliquely to my "case" and that maybe
my "aggressive" Tallyman KKF persona had spilled over into Real Life...
that it had "emerged" ... and fantasy became reality?

Or did I misunderstand you there, COMF?

Here, if you need to read it again, this time for understanding:

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Sharing3.html

"maybe", "interpreted", "badly", "context", "implying", "maybe",
"obliquely", "maybe", "?", "misunderstand", "?"

All those- key words and symbols, KOMF.

My question is: in that interpretation,
what did you do with the reference to the internet?

See above.

Why did YOU bring up the internet, when Farkel and I did not talk
at all about the Internet?

Your reply was to the CONTEXT of Farkel's H2O post, was it not?
(all the other posters on Farkel's thread replied to his context)

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Dougie.html

He wrote nothing of the Internet or of the "Tallyman" persona.
(because we had not talked over the phone about that)

Why did you bring it up, except to make your strange and mysterious
and suggestive point? (read: 'subtle')

Where would "internet distance and invisibility"
come into play in the confrontation between you and your brother?

It wouldn't.
Of course.
And since I have never had any "internet distance or invisibility"...
it makes your comments all the more mysterious and oblique.

And as I write, in my comments in this thread, to Farkel,
"others", (like Uncle Bruce) not distraught, like myself, at the time
read those same comments by you... and "understood" them
and "interpreted" them, the same way as me.

Not goodly.

Thanks in advance for your answer.
KOMF

Why, y'all are sho nuff welcome, in advance, too!

Y'all come back now, y'hear?

signed:
Tom Talley (yes! a REAL name!)

p.s. KOMF, since I was so responsive to your question,
do you mind me asking you a question?

Why, if you are trying to remain anonymous on the Internet,
and don't want your jW son finding out about your "activities"...
Why In The Hell do you keep putting up your facial photograph
next to every post you make... for someone to "make" you?

Why?

Thanks in advance for your answer!

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

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friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Cautious,

(In my best Elvis impersonation)

"Thankew,ThankewVermuch!"

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Prisca,

I glad I hepped learnt you a new word 'paean', yestiddy.

Of course, the other word, 'rote' is a noun, but I saw fit to use it
as a verb. What, with being god, I'm allowed to take license.

And thank you, last week, for being the Only Person to give their
interpretation of the minor poem, INVICTUS, after I requested
open interpretations from others.

.

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

T4Self,

not to cause offense, but when you say:

I find that ones' intelligence could be put to better use than using wit
and sarcasm to castigate another human being.

I was wondering, WHO do you mean "castigated" WHO ?

and,

Because of my own life experiences, people who use sarcasm
are many times suffering incredible pain...or are just mean spirited...

Certainly, you don't think those are the ONLY (TWO) options?

Sarcasm can be applied in Many Ways, Situations, Circumstances
for Many Different Reasons.

I love the way Elijah used it against the Ba'al priesthood.

Like 'Righteous Indignation', there is its first cousin, 'Righteous Sarcasm'.

You are of course welcome to continue this COMF bashing if you choose,

Tell me T4, how would you react and respond, if someone here on the DB
called you "obnoxious" and "antisocial".

Would you let those words about you hang in the air and float,
or would you refute them - At-The-Grave-Risk-Of-Being-Accused-Of-Bashing?

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Mommy, you l'il goddess, you!

I am glad to see that your BS Detector is in Fine Working Condition.

Some, after years in the Watchtower, have a hard time getting all those
clogs out of the filter in that little, but powerful, instrument.

And you know, thinking back, over nearly a decade online as the "Tallyman"...
I don't think I've ever said anything to come close to:
"Eat Shit and Die!"...
not even to the most Ardent WTFanatic, not even in my most
"obnoxious", "aggressive", "antisocial" mode.

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Farkel,

Otherwise, say what you feel about it.
It is good for the soul and if it helps you, then go for it.

Hey Dougie, I think I'll "go for it".

Anywho, I can always cover ANYTHING & EVERYTHING I write from here on,
and "couch my observation in terms that convey" - "tongue-in-cheek humor"
and as being just "subtleties at work", "a nod", "exaggerations"...etc.,
like KOMF claimed he was doing in his replies...

Hey, that lets me off the hook, huh? Covers my Ass on Everything, huh?

Heeee, The Ultimate Cop-Out.
Or as one of those Phony "Professional" Wrestlers referred to himself as:
"The Total Package".

Uhh uhh, yuhh, yeah, that's it (in a Beavis&Butthead-esque way),
anything I write here on the DB, about anyone or everyone, in or out
of context, at any given time, will be me just being and using:
"The Total Package".

KOMF is anonymous for the reasons he's stated.

No one jumped in to explain to me, HOW a person who is trying to remain
hidden, for family-sake, would post his photograph up alongside his
acronym, and Risk It All, that someone lurking would spot him and
'turn him in' to the family member he's worried about 'finding out'...?

Yesterday, my comments, could have alerted KOMF to what he was doing...
maybe he hadn't realized He Was Hanging His Anonymous Self Out To Dry
with that picture... and if he'd heeded my words,
I could have Saved His Anonymous Bacon!

Yet, he still has his pic up today.

ThatDoesNotCompute.

- - -

Dougie, when we had our phone conversation, when you called me last August,
and when we were talking about my family tragedy, about my "case",
about the legal jam I was presently in... (and BTW, I don't ever remember
talking about my "online Tallyman persona"... right? Because I had not even
posted ANYTHING online for over two months, in ANY forum. Hell, I'd not
even sent email, on the advice of my lawyer... and I'd certainly not
posted anything on H2O for over SIX MONTHS, since Rick had kicked me out)

but anyway, when I talked with you that first time, and I heard your voice...
well, Doug, I gots to tell you, that you have a soothing and gentle voice.
You were VERY mild and mellow like those SOUTHern Californians are known for.
NOT AT ALL LIKE THE WRITTEN WORDS WE READ BY FARKEL...!
You did not come across at all, like "Farkel".

Why, I swear, I could have been talking to Yanni, without the Greek accent.

But then,
KOMF made so much about you reporting back to my friends on H2O
about me, Tom Talley, being "very soft-spoken and sensitive"...
and how THAT did not match the KultKrimeFightingTallyman persona...

But, in that brief, onetime conversation with you, I could not have
gone around saying with any solid support, that you were always
mild mannered and soft-spoken, just as you, of course,
could only speak to how I sounded THAT DAY.
(not how my voice sounds ALL the time)
Right?

And anyone else, like KOMF, who was sufficiently sensitive enough
and could have understood the subtleties and dynamics at work,
could well have reasoned that the person, me, you were talking with that day
had just HAD THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF HIM with all the troubles swirling
around and the voice on the other end of the phone line was "soft spoken"
because ALL THE JUICE HAD BEEN KNOCKED OUT of it...

But, anyway, when you told the folks over at H2O (about me), after our chat:

He is a very soft-spoken and sensitive guy

Wise KOMF had to comeback with:

Please. Those who, like me, know you only from observing your online activities on H2O will agree that "softspoken" and "sensitive" are the last words anyone would have chosen to describe you. And so, being one who calls it like I see it, I said as much, taking issue with the words of my good friend Farkel.

But, later, KOMF laid claim to realizing the 'dynamics in play' at the time:

As someone experiencing great emotional stress and upheaval, you aren't expected to see the subtleties at work here.

Which, Begs-To-Hell the question, WHY-In-Hell would KOMF comeback
with those statements, that a person like me, in the position I was in-
(that KOMF acknowledges above)
a person looking for all the support he could get at the time-
why would an understanding guy like KOMF, who realizes (and states so)
make the VERY statements that I might Misunderstand?

Why?

Others thought the same. Others have made the comment to me, asking
why did KOMF stab you like that, with those words?

Even just last week, a clear-headed, rational Uncle Bruce, observed:

Talley - I noted the Captains comment about you when it was made
and have been curious about it ever since.
I said little about you during all of it other than squash
a few obvious untruths because we'd never met.
[...]
I don't doubt he may have thought the worse
or may still think that your personality was/is aggressive
and the firey passion with which you fight the evil empire
had spilt over into your personal life -
I admit I felt that possibility too but refrained from posting anything
that way due to people like Focus and Farkel who knew you more than me
and the implications
such talk
would have for anti-cult fighters all over the net.

Was Uncle Bruce "experiencing great emotional stress and upheaval",
when he read KOMF's words, when they were made? I don't think so.
He saw the "subtleties"
for what they were.

Short version: let it go.

In due time, Dougie, in due time.
Not just yet, though.

TT

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Truly Julie,

Molly Ivins? You mean Moll?
Years ago, when I heard Pat Buchanan or James Kilpatrick
or one of those jokers talking about this woman writer who
one of them described as "this foul-mouthed broad"...
I just had to seek her out and read her stuff.

I like her style.
I would prune SHRUB-bery with her, anytime!

===========================================

mommy,

You also?! ... a god(dess)!
wOw!
Now, I'm beginning to wonder HOW MANY of us there are here?

===========================================

Wasa,

Just doing my best to throw some subtleties out there,
with a wink and a nod to try and dispel some notions,
that dare I say it... I shudder to... that I am "antisocial"...

Now, that's one characterization I just cannot abide.
Some might start to believe that.
So, as immediately as I could, I wrote the post today
(a week after the fact - that's fast for me ... heee)
to try and put the Big Nix on that one.

Now, I've tried for years and years to show up the jWs
as being very antisocial and I think many would agree
they are a closed community and view the world as 'off limits',
but to have a fellow former describe Moi as "antisocial"...
sorry Wasa, I jes had to speak out agin that!

"Obnoxious"... hmmm, to jWs, Yes. But to fellow formers -
well, MOST of them, I've never heard that put to me.

As for myself, I have found some of your posts
do have an element of in-your-face

Notice, that is the one characterization I did not deny.
But even then, in-WHOSE-face?

Some of us don't have the freedom to reveal our identities yet.
This does not mean we are hiding or cowards, only that we are making
choices we feel are best right now.

And it is something I've repeatedly, over the years said I understood.
That My Way, is not everyone's way... and people have their reasons-
because of the Watchtower.
Hey, it IS a Dangerous Kult/Cult/Sect/Alternative Religion (pick one).

But those who live in 'Invisible Houses' should be the Last Ones
to throw stones, especially at someone, who for almost a decade online
has done everything in my power to Keep As High A Profile as I can,
to make myself known, visible, close, unshielded - to Make Sure
the Watchtower Loyals KNOW who I am.

Who knows, maybe the blunt I gave KOMF today, if he's trying to keep
a Low Profile, will give him a 'heads up' that showing his picture
in public, alongside his posts, ain't accomplishing keeping a
Low Profile...

Come on, my friend Tally...let's all hug and make up, OK?

Uh-oh! Do I feel a "Grope, I mean a "Group Hug" coming on?

and since I NEVER do this:
(((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))

Oh wOw! I am definitely filing that (((Hug))) away, along with Riz's.

TT

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I Rote A Paean to Myself

by Tallyman in

jw
friends

much less _accuse me_ of being "obnoxious"... or "antisocial"...?.

everything would be consistently phony and anonymous and invisible.. now, even overwrought i, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.. okay.

and i said to myself: "i am god!

Tallyman

Well,
I just had to weigh in and let you all know that those (((HUGS)))
from last week, were very much appreciated and savored by Moi.

Also, to let you know, that despite KOMF's False Accusation against me
last week - that I was "antisocial" - well, I just had to dispel that
notion immediately, if not sooner, that I, we, me, Tom Talley, the Tallyman,
who used to be the Tallyboy, and even before that, the Tallybaby...
have ALWAYS been a gregarious creature. From the crib.

Yes, I'm very much the social inter actor and thank God for the Internet
that despite the socially isolating effect an illness can have upon one,
one is still able to socially mix and interact with others.

and then KOMF accused me of being "obnoxious"... ? ? ?
Well! I never!
How would anyone, in all the 8-9 years I been online EVER THINK,
much less _Accuse Me_ of being "Obnoxious"... or "AntiSocial"...?

Ahhh, yes, yes, I remember being called those things several times
over the years, online, but it was NEVER by a fellow X-Dub,
a companion fighter against and exposer of the Evil Watchtower Empire.
No.
Rather, those accusations (and many others!) were made by the Watchtower
faithful, the devotees, the loyals, the dyed-in-the-wool fanatics
who did not like my (the Tallyman's) criticisms of their "religion".

"the loud, aggressive, antisocial behavior you exhibit online must be",
(according to KOMF)
Must be Unpopular with the online jehovah's Witnesses who would characterize
it (Tallyman's behavior) thusly... because ANYONE who dares criticize
the Watchtower Religion mildly, wildly, s o f t l y, LOUDLY!!! -whatever-
would automatically be characterized as "aggressive, antisocial and obnoxious"
- by those who hold their Watchtower Religion dear.

But for a fellow / former jehovah's Witness who makes out like he is against
the Watchtower Religion... and occasionally even actually criticizes it...
to use those same characterizations of me that only the WTLoyals have used -
well, maybe "As someone experiencing great emotional stress and upheaval,
you [me] aren't expected to see the subtleties at work here..."

Yeaaaah. Maybe that's it. I'm still so emotionally overwrought
(good thing I'm a man, or I might be accused of being "hormonal", or sumpin')
that I'm failing to get the drift of what is actually being said.
That could be it.

Or

Or, it may be a case of KOMF being Emboldened to say those things about me,
because his is yet "Another case of aggression emerging from behind the shields
of internet distance and invisibility?"

Ewwww, calling someone "obnoxious" and "antisocial"... Whew! Man!
... is that ever "aggressive", or what?!?
but being able to hidey-hide, ducky-down, behind a phony name/acronym
with a hooey-dooey email address... well, then, goodness gracious me,
there is No Tellin' WHAT might "emerge" from the keyboard
of someone - so distant - so shielded - so invisible.

Ummm, help me out here, someone, if anyone will... I need understanding.
Like somebody said recently, now who was it that said it?, well just
somebody made the remark, that "there is a Know-It-All-In-Every-Crowd".
Okay.
If that's the case here:
"Calling All Know It Alls!"
"Calling ANY Know It All" ... please help me understand something.

HOW does someone like KOMF, who says he has family still in the Watchtower religion, and say it is his son, and say that son is Very Devoted to the WT Religion, and then when I question HIS ANONYMITY and INVISIBILITY,
after, once again, he has Falsely Accused me
of being anonymous, distant,
invisible, shielded...

how (why?) would he/could he come back with the retort:

"...it's understandable that you would so easily overlook
the obvious reason why I don't reveal my name
and particulars online.
I have a son still in.
He is a very zealous witness; extremely so.
But for reasons only he knows, he does not shun me
or his disfellowshipped brother.
I expect that
if he knew of my activity as KOMF,
that would change.
I'd rather it didn't."

...then IF that is the case, how could someone then be IDIOT enough
to plaster a photograph of himself beside EVERY post he puts up
on this Discussion Board, where lurkers abound... and NOT expect
someone recognizing the face of "KOMF", as being the father of
that Zealot Son, and getting word back to that WT Extremist Son,
that his Dad is online engaging in all kinds of "activity"...
whaaaa...?
I don't understand.

Hey, like the saying goes: "It's a small theocratic World!"...
and the Internet reduces the size of it even more.
Sooner or later... B u s t e d !
Matter o' time.

Can some Know-It-All out there, here on the DB help me to understand
this "logic", since it is so "obvious" (to others?)
and could be so "easily overlook(ed)"?

Help?
Anyone?

Unless, UNLESS, the photograph beside the fake KOMF acronym
is ALSO fake. That's it! It's a fake photograph.
Something pulled out of a little metal frame purchased at Wal-Mart.
A sample picture of a smiling Dad. Right?
Then,
EVERYTHING would be CONSISTENTLY Phony and Anonymous and Invisible.

Now, even overwrought I, can see the "obvious reason(ing)" behind that.

Okay. 'Nuff said.

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Now, getting to the title of this thread:

"A Paean To Myself"...

well,
I rolled out of bed this morning and hit the floor (I meant to do it!)
(I could have defied gravity, but I chose not to do so.)
and I said to myself: "I AM god!" "I AM god!" "I AM god!"
(I said it three times for emphasis!!!)
and I looked out the window and the day was wet, cloudy and dreary...
but since I am in control of EVERYTHING as god, as the "I AM", I am,
then I MEANT IT TO BE CLOUDY, RAINY AND DREARY!
I did not want it to be sunshiney and nicey, as god.

And then I walked up the hall to go and sip my Ambrosia,
which is coffee, which is the Nectar Of The gods,
I thought I felt pains in my muscles, but it was an Illusion,
because I said it is so. As god, I Can Create My Own Reality,
so I created a pain-free body, just as I created the weather today.

Whatever the weather is like wherever you are today? I did that.
Unless, you are god too, and I defer to your godship and accept
that the weather at your location is of your own choosing.
We gods are like that. We have a godship kinship.

So, after my godly Nectar took effect,
I decided it would be good, as god, to go and sit on My Throne
and contemplate... and things went well and came out okay,
and it came to myself, in a big burst, in a revelation... that,
as god, I needed a Paean to myself, and who better to write it than me?
(I know, I titled it "I Rote"... well, that's because it was by rote,
because I Am a god, and this stuff is so mechanical, almost routine...)

So, here it is, My Paean To Myself, I share it with all of you:
.
.
I Am Captain of My Fart.
.
I Am Master of My Stool.
.
.
.

Eureka!
I thought it was a stroke of genius.
Of course, being god, I would.
That's it.
Two Lines.
Says it all.
Why say more?

signed:
Tom Talley

(yes! it's a real name! and that is a real letter 'K'!)

p.s. Understand, there are MANY subtleties at work in all the above,
and I, as god, realize that most of The Great Unwashed here,
will be "expected to see" them.
(Ha!ha!ha!... how us gods DO like our amusement!)

p.s.s. Soon, I will be making a guest appearance, along with Shirley,
on "The Opera Windbag Show". All I have to do is will it, to make it so.
And I will be there plugging my New Paean on her "Angel Network",
and she will make it a "Paean-Of-The-Month" Selection.
I will will her to make it so.

("I will will"... heee, didja get that??)

p.s.s.s. Some may be wondering why I asked all those questions above...
about grasping and understanding and all...
because as god, I Should Know It All Already... well, remember,
I am "a" god. lower-case 'g' god, and, so, well, you know.

p.s.s.s.s Anyway, once again, to Omega out with the way I Alpha'ed in,
I want to say, I appreciated all those (((hugs))) last week.

Now, as god, I think I'll go give myself a (((hug)))!

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McVeigh vs Death Penalty

by Amazing in

jw
friends

i am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.

i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.

and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.

Tallyman

In this whopper of a thread about Timothy McVeigh which has now been read over 3000 times... has anyone here given their open interpretation to the poem, INVICTUS ? ?

It has figured so prominently in the news this week...
what with being America's Worst Mass Murderer Tim McVeigh's
"LAST WORDS"

The WORDS by which McVeigh wanted people to remember him.

I gave my interpretation of the poem, INVICTUS, McVeigh loved so:

* http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/Invictus.html

Anyone else?

Has there been an intrepretation or discussion of INVICTUS
in any other thread on the DB, to which someone could point me?

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