Chain of “truths”

by venus in

1) god gives more wisdom to solomon to become the wisest ever lived on earth.. 2) using this “higher”wisdom, he solved a problem involving two women who claimed ownership of a child looking at the facial expression of the dishonest woman.

* his ruling revealed that ‘a loving mother would not permit her child to be killed’ (1 king 3:27).

this ruling reportedly rooted at the “higher wisdom” given to solomon by god actually backfires on god whose core quality is love and yet he sent his son to be murdered for the betterment of mankind—a thing which no parents can teach their children because it would shock them.. 3) if jesus really came to be murdered and thus “to take away the sin of the world” (john 1:29), he would have used his superhuman skills to explain this incomprehensible teaching (killing the innocent removes the sins of the sinners).

smiddy3

4) Even after the so called ransom was paid, sin continues to rule the world, and mankind continues to be under the slavery of sin for over 2000 years.

With the result of horrible diseases ,untold sufferings on all of humanity including children who don`t even know what sin is ,millions of children who die before the age of five years old through disease starvation etc. and a God who if he is to be believed has watched this for the past 2000 years and done nothing about it.

What is that saying about a being who witnesses evil and does nothing about it ?

Their is nothing in the Bible that would indicate that the Almighty GOD Jehovah /Yahweh is anyway more enlightened intellectually than a reasonably intelligent human being.

Thanks for posting this venus

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Why I like movies ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

i think i've sussed out why i'm getting so into movies.. they make me feel emotions.

i think i'm a bit of a cold fish - i find it hard to properly feel emotions.

i'm not sure if i was born that way or if it's a result of my experience with the wts.

smiddy3

Talking to my two boys well after we all had left the religion they would relate to me how the youths in the congregations would pull the wool over the eyes of their parents including me thinking they were good youthful JW`s and they would frequently go to movies,R+ and X rated and gigs that we as parents had no knowledge about just trusting our children that we were bringing them up right.

Not only were we gullible about the religion we had was the "truth" we were also gullible in thinking that "if you train up a boy(or girl) in the way they should go they will not depart from it".

Bullshit.

Thankfully we are all OK out of the influence of this toxic religion.

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It's 2:00 AM; no, 1:00 AM

by compound complex in

jw
friends

just now, i saw the gain of one hour on my computer clock, its having gone from 1:59 am directly to 1:00 am.. hadda tell you that i "fell back.".

good morning!.

smiddy3

CoCo ,I`m confused are you on daylight saving or night time deficits ?

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What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

by UnshackleTheChains in

let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

smiddy3

Has anybody ever noticed that with the map behind S.Lett they have got the bulk of the population on the wrong side of the Continent where Australia is concerned ?

The bulk of the population is on the Eastern and Southern sides of the Continent and not on the Western side of the Continent that is shown on JW.org

Just saying.

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Who is Jesus?

by Jarred K in

new to the forum.

hope today finds everyone well.

i’m not super familiar with jw theology concerning jesus.

smiddy3

Aren`t their scriptures in the Hebrew books ( OT) that indicate that their are faithful men (women?) of old that have gone to heaven ? Such as Abraham Isaac and Jacob ?for instance and ,any women ? Any others ?

And if so wouldn`t that contradict John 3:13 ?

Bear with me it`s been a long time since I was an active JW

I thought it was an interesting point you made venus

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In theory, can one be disfellowshipped for attempted suicide?

by Saename in

so i was recently reading the reasons for disfellowshipping as listed in shepherd the flock of god.

the handbook is available online here: https://thetruthofjehowaswittness.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/jehovas-vitner.pdf.. on page 59, point #4, it lists attempted suicide as a reason for disfellowshipping.

has it ever been removed?

smiddy3

Saename

Sheeesh , I would never have thought of this as a DF offence or a reason for a JC meeting..How heartless can this organization be ? For someone to reach the depths of despair to contemplate taking their own life and acting on it regardless of what the motive behind it is ,they need help and compassion and not a big stick threatening to DF them or put restrictions on them at a JC meeting which would only drive them deeper into despair.

And they call themselves" Shepherds of the Flock" ?

words fail me

Sorry your link does not work,Saename

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"Armageddon is already here"; "the preaching work is done" -- rogue teachings in your congregation?

by FatFreek 2005 in

one of my jw sons seems to be putting pressure on his non-jw brother apparently to scare him into accepting the troof and start coming to meetings.

wild statements like our topic title, which i know are not supported at jw dot org, have been made to my non-jw son several times over the past year or so.

while i haven't been privy to the actual phone conversations i tend to believe that the jw son is being pressured by the local elders to cut ties with the non-jw since their conversations seem to degrade into arguments -- therefore tending to weaken the jws faith in wt teachings.. either my jw son is lying about what i would call rogue teachings (and this would disappoint me greatly) or he is in some close knit clique in his congregation which has secretly chosen to go rogue on certain wt issues.. based on many of the recent posts here about drastic money and wt organization problems this could be a sign of pending splits of certain congregation members.. what do you think?

smiddy3

"the preaching work is done"

I wouldn`t think so with only about 1/3rd of the worlds population having ever been preached to and as every hour of the day goes by the ratio of JW`s to the population gets wider and wider ,making it harder and harder for the words of Jesus to ever be accomplished.

It hasnt been acheived in 103 years of Jesus Christ rule so far and does not look like it could ever happen with the winding down of so many JW activities.

And as I have indicated before JW`s have always only been riding on the backs of Christendom poaching off of them for their members ,never entering into virgin territory where Christendom has never been before them.

Jehovah`s Witnesses are true parasites in the true sense of the word.

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JW view of apostates is of human origin

by venus in

god doesn’t take action against a person who has long history of faithfulness when he fails for the first time.

for example, satan is freely permitted to move in heaven and on earth even after many many sins he keeps on practicing.

israel as a nation was not rejected at the first instance of their disobedience.

smiddy3

God doesn’t take action against a person who has long history of faithfulness when he fails for the first time. For example, Satan is freely permitted to move in heaven and on earth even after many many sins he keeps on practicing. Israel as a nation was not rejected at the first instance of their disobedience.

So for the next 6 thousand years Satan had free range of shifting between heaven and earth with no other penalties on him or his followers .No suffering ,no death ,no indignity`s ,no anything.

except for some future punishment thousands of years in the future no doubt.

Big deal

How does that compare with Adam & Eve ? They were immediately sentenced to a life of misery outside of Gods favour and so were their offspring to what we see today 6,000 years later of misery , disease ,indignity`s ,suffering and ,death .

No normal parent today would put their child through any suffering of any sort for a minute however Jehovah God has put his children through the worst of sufferings for thousands of years.

Wasn`t Satan the original apostate ? If anything he should have recieved the more heavier sentence.

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What can the leadership at Watchtower do to turn things around?

by UnshackleTheChains in

let's play devils advocate here.. put yourself in the governing body's shoes.

they are well aware of all the issues they are facing.

they know their numbers (they 'do the math' as they say in the us).

smiddy3

I hope they never ever turn things around .I don`t want them to reform or change their ways ,I want them to go into oblivion if that`s at all possible.(though I doubt it will happen in the near foreseeable future)

The damage they have done to millions of people with their policy`s since their inception in the late 1800`s ,and (that is no exaggeration saying millions) ,reform or change in policy`s now would not do justice for all the suffering and wrongs that have been endured by members over all these years and is still being endured by members and there family`s still under the control of this sect.

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So, is God a rapist!?

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, i apologise in advance if this seems irreverent to those who believe in god.. but, the bible says that god (jehovah) impregnated mary.

without her consent.

so that would seem to be rape...right?.

smiddy3

I think Ever Apostate sums it up nicely,what more needs to be said ?

Then again I suppose we could all be tormented eternally in a Hell-fire ,or exterminated once and for all at Armageddon .

smiddy3

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