Who struck Goliath down Jonathan or David.?
2 Sam.21: 19-22 Jonathan
1.Sam.17:54-57 David
quite regularly at meetings jws mocked worldly people and apostates(anyone who had left the "truth") for saying the bible contradicts itself when it is in complete harmony from beginning to end apparently.
can anyone point out some of the contradictions they know of?
they used to laugh at the fact people on the doors would say the bible contradicts itself and when they asked the householder to show them where, they couldn't..
Who struck Goliath down Jonathan or David.?
2 Sam.21: 19-22 Jonathan
1.Sam.17:54-57 David
quite regularly at meetings jws mocked worldly people and apostates(anyone who had left the "truth") for saying the bible contradicts itself when it is in complete harmony from beginning to end apparently.
can anyone point out some of the contradictions they know of?
they used to laugh at the fact people on the doors would say the bible contradicts itself and when they asked the householder to show them where, they couldn't..
Use the search option at the top right hand corner of the page and type in"Contradictions of the Bible "and you will get heaps.
it's a case of two down and one to go.
my darling daughter has announced to the extended family that she has left jehovah's witnesses!
deep joy!.
Both you and your daughter have my congratulations also H.b.
i feel confident that most visitors to this site, understand the essential conflict at the heart of christianity.
how could jesus be fully human and simultaneously be a divine being who descended (supposedly, some thing jesus specifically claimed to be) from heaven.. as jws we may have solved this tricky point by saying that yahweh transferred the life of jesus into mary's womb, and so jesus was born fully human.. but if we remove the blindfold of faith, we immediately 'see' the problem.
in our contemporary view of the reproductive process, we can be certain that there is a female 'egg,' that is fertilised by male sperm.
Mary was born in sin like every other human being according to the Bible their is nothing in the Bible to say otherwise .
That being the case Jesus could not have been born perfect without sin , he must have inherited the sins of his mother regardless of who his father was.
According to the Bible Jesus was much more than a human ,he could control the weather ,and he could walk on water ,and he could perform miracles ,.?
No human including the perfect man Adam could do any of these feats so how is it possible that the Bible claims Jesus to be a corresponding ransom for mankind ?
He was a sinner with super human powers that no man ever had according to what we read in the Bible.
I thought this subject needed to be re-visited
akid, happy birthday!!!.
am i the first person in your life to send you a birthday card?.
wanted to send you a birthday cake but the pic is copyrighted and it may not be proper to paste it in a forum.. remember to click here .
Well I just came across this , I too wish you a happy belated birthday Akid48 , 14 eh? and you know the TTATT already ?
Wow. Good for you
I wish you all the best for your future and take care
is jesus the alpha and omega?
the watchtower make a bold brass article on their own website claiming that jesus is not the alpha and omega, yet however, god's word explains in clear detail that he is the alpha and omega... do we therefore trust what the watchtower says?
or do we trust what god says?.
Doesn`t Php.2: 9-10 state that
"God exalted him to superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground"
Taking that scripture on face value Christians should be worshiping Jesus Christ as most of Christendom do except Jehovah`s Witnesses who have no basis for worshiping Jehovah in the Christian Greek Scriptures ,the N.T.
They pluck some scripture out of the Hebrew scriptures ,O.T. that relates to the Jews as being his witnesses Isa.43:10,12 .
However the Jews never identified themselves as Jehovah`s Witnesses by name and neither did Jesus nor did Jesus ever chastise the Jews for not going by the name Jehovah`s Witnesses
And Jesus himself never used the name Jehovah or its equivalent in the Greek Christian scriptures.
i was very lucky to have be dating somebody who didn’t run and snitch on me when i started having questions and showing him research i did, instead he listened to me, and after a few arguements, he did wake up as well.
it really didn’t take much to wake him up, and he was more just tired of the crazy witnesses in general.
and now we are planning on getting married and fading together so that our families can at least enjoy our wedding, that special time in life, before we possibly loose them one day.
I wonder how old you both are and whether you are more adult than he is so, not meaning to be Judgemental I would seriously not get too involved with this guy in the short term .
In other words don`t be in too much of a hurry to marry him ,bide your time .
Don`t make the mistake of marrying somebody just to get out of a situation your unhappy with you could be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire
Think long and hard before you make any rash decisions .
take care Addison 0998
yep the convention is upon us.
i know by the sol apparent in the household.. yes jehovahs people are the happiest people.. not.. we went out for afternoon tea today and silence was served well.
its bloody painful...
I still look at the reflection in the mirror of myself today and point the finger at him and say it was you who wasted all of those 33 years in a cult religion , going to conventions up and down the country taking the wife and kids to them ,it certainly wasn`t me as I point to myself and say I`ve got more sense than that to be sucked in by a cult such as J.W`s and believe in fairytales .
And then the reality sets in , you and he are one and the same, and I still have trouble processing that fact.
How could I have possibly believed all of that nonsense for so long and worse still brought up my two boys into that
religion after previously indoctrinating my then girlfriend and marrying her in a K.H.
Thankfully we are all out now but I wonder sometimes just how much it has stuffed up their lives and how different we all would have turned out had I not converted when courting my then girlfriend .
over a period of time i got to thinking - what does the word 'apostate' mean to me.
having given it some thought, this is my view;.
the org has given the word its own definition and basically use it to demonise people and consider them pariahs.. however, the jw meaning of 'apostate' is a mere word and only has power if recognised as such.
Jehovah`s Witnesses have also claimed Christendom as Apostates because in their view they have turned away from Jesus Christ`s teachings .
And of course any baptised JW who has turned his or her back on J.W./W.T. teachings are also considered Apostates.
A thought just occurred to me : Do the G.B./J.W./ W.T. religion publicly state at meetings ,assembly`s ,conventions ,or in their publications either in print or over JW.Org T.V. programme`s that Islam the religion of Muslims are an Apostate religion ?
Jehovah`s Witnesses seem to have no problem publicly showing up Judaism / Christendom as Apostates in their publications / media , however have they ever gone on record as charging Islam / Muslim religion with Aposatacy ? in any of their publications or media ?
Because these three faiths have a common denominator with the Hebrew bible.
Why in all of these 140 years, have the Jehovah`s Witnesses been silent about the Islam / Muslim religion being an Apostate religion ?
back in the early 1970's i was an elder and sat on a judicial committee that dealt with a male teenager in the congregation.
he was inappropriately touching his sister.
it was of course viewed as a sin, not a crime.
The J.W./W.T. religion and its teachings are wholly/solely based on the Bible ....?
Their are just so many things the G.B. teach today that have no basis in the Bible.
He was inappropriately touching his sister. It was of course viewed as a sin, not a crime.
And it has only changed now if indeed it has changed at all ,because of the growing amount of lawsuits all around the world and the publicity that its getting.
Would this sister have married this brother if it was publicly known he was a pedophile?
Who knows ? maybe and maybe not, personally I think she should have been told so as to make her own decision.its a tricky one ,if the police had of been involved in the first place it would /could have been public knowledge.
However the J.W. Organization should be held accountable for keeping these allegations of Child sexual Abuse in-house and not reporting them to the Child Protection Agency`s or the Law Enforcement Agency`s such as the Police.
During the late 1950's and early 1960's there was a 10 minute intermission between the public talk and the Watchtower study , and as you say bros & sis`s could go out and puff up between sessions.
I remember it well.
Its no good dwelling on the past on what we could have done or what we should have done Sour Grapes ,we did what we thought best at the time with the information / knowledge we had .
We need to forgive ourselves for wrongs we have done thinking it was in the best interest of others.
We have all been their one way or another .
Take care.