there has been some discussion regarding the change in the jws message so i thought i would have a listen to the recent annual meeting to try to get an idea as to why the jws are not clear on the matter, once again.
it's strange that the annual meeting hasn't been put on jw org tv to date.it looks like the confusion stems from a talk given by tight pants tony and i've written out a part of that talk.
his talk was titled 'making our blows count'.
So whats new ? the big" A" or "GT " just around the corner ? It`s imminent ?
How many times and how many years can they get away with this BS? The average JW has to be a lot dumber than I would ever have imagined .
This crap was doing the rounds in the mid 1970`s that the message was going to be changed to one of judgement against those who had not taken heed of the life saving message JW`s had been giving up until that time.
Here we go again I suppose
hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.
my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.
she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.
What can I do?
What you can do is take the advise of all the above posters and get away from this mind controlling manipulative family destructive organization before you lose your self worth.
I gather you believe in a God ,OK ? no problem, he gave you a brain for you to use and make decisions for yourself in other words you are in control of your own destiny.
However if you get baptized as a JW you then give your brain over to those few men in America who will decide what you can do and what you can`t do in all activities of your life including your family ,friends.associates ,etc,etc,etc,
It does not happen all at once it is a slow process that they use to control all your activities.
It`s like the" Hotel California" you can enter but you will never leave on your own terms.
Save yourself the trouble and a lot of heartache
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/obituaries/charles-manson-dead.html.
Their is a difference in JW speak as to what is sin and what is a crime .The Adamic sin, disobeying Gods command not to eat of the forbidden fruit should not be confused with committing a crime such as Manson did.
According to what I was taught as a JW the likes of Manson ,Bundy, Hitler ,etc possibly may not get a resurrection for what they did.
And yes I know JW`s speak out of both sides of there mouth in issues like this.
As for crimes of this nature where their is no reasonable doubt about who is responsible I am all for the death penalty and not incarcerating them for the rest of their life at taxpayers expense.
The victims did not get justice in this case.
world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses - warwick, new york.
“yes, the end of this system is so very near!
is that no reason to increase our activity?… reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.
The end of this system is so very near.....NOT
Jehovah`s Witnesses,
and their definitions/meanings of words.phrases.?
Soon (on the never ending plan)
Imminent (? That`s already passed a thousand times)
Last days (That go on for Decades /years/ a century)
Around the corner (on a roundabout)
So very near (yet so very far)
World events mean it cant be much longer.( The majority of Nations/people have never had it so good)
so we all know that the special talk titled "who really is jesus christ?
" will be given before the memorial next year which is very new.
also new this year is that the special talk will be prerecorded and given by a branch committee member rather than a brother from the local congregation.
"Who Really Is Jesus Christ?" Maybe they will finally admit that JC is an incompetent "King" in so far as he hasn`t accomplished anything these past 104 years by then 2018.
They could somehow come up with nu-lite that everybody should partake of the bread &wine and somehow "spin"the idea that there are two classes overlapping each other.
They got away with it on the generation teaching so why not this one ?
yes friends!.
after the program, i kept my "lapel badge" on.. so while filling up my car with fuel, the attendant asked me about it.
i was able to share some great points about the wonderful program my wife and i had just enjoyed in sydney all weekend!.
WTW ,read the fine print or should I say the link. LOL
i have not been here in a while, just trying to move on with my life all the while dealing with a very pimi brainwashed wife.. so the other day she started saying that we will have to go our own ways when things get worse with this world.
she has said this before because she believes that the government will turn on religion and the great and powerful wizards (guardians of doctrine g.o.d.
) will call everyone and tell them where to go.. thank god, (no pun intended) i have been out of the loop for such a long time.
Doesn`t Rev.17 :16 refer to Babylon The Great -false religion only , so not the "true" religion of JW`s ?
Jehovah`s Witnesses assume that if BTG goes and destroys false religion then they will come after them ,however the Bible does not say that.
the following article will address these questions, and attempt to answer them.. after helping jwfacts with his page on animal suffering, i decided to write this article.. it is mainly aimed at helping jehovahs witnesses and other believers in god to think about the issue, as well as the apparent contradictions in watchtower teaching.. thanks must go to jwfacts for the encouragement, and giving me permission to use an image from his page and to use some of the quotes.. also, thankyou to cofty for general moral support.. please let me know what you think everybody, and feel free to reproduce any part or all of the article on any other website, just post and let me know that you've used it on your site please.. (i'd appreciate it if anyone could post to tell me they found a point in here useful, it would encourage me to keep going).. okay, here it is:.
why does god allow animal suffering?.
does it trouble you to see animals in pain?.
Every living thing on earth animal, marine , insect ,bird-life etc. lives off killing and consuming their prey for food since time indefinite .
No God Christian or otherwise has anything to do with it.It`s just a fact of life.
Humans all over the world kill off animals for food and think nothing of it.
Sadly what is considered a pet in the western world may be considered a delicacy in other Asian nations.
i haven't been here for about 10 months and just looked over some topics to update myself, well i came back for a very particular reason... my family was, father, mother, sister and i... the split up (4 years ago), only my father remained jw, my sister left but lives with him, and i've been living by myselft over the last months sharing an apartment with my girlfriend (worldly) an his brother (worldly) (we are a "modern family" hahahaha).... so the relation with my father have been in many different phases the last 4 years, having in mind that he cheated my mom with her best friend (woman) within the congregation an married her just few months ago... so today it's my birthday and i called dad and told him that i had a great time anyway and that to be "even more pagan" i set up my christmas tree today.... he had never questioned me for dating and living with my current girfriend nor tried to "bring me back to the congregation", but he replied to me: "hey, talking about being a pagan, i'm not confortable with things now because i want us to como closer together again and do more things like having lunch or whathever and your are now df, can you talk to the elders and take back the letter you sent them da-ing so we can share more?".
i don't know what to do, i really mean what i wrote in my d.a.
letter, i needed to vent what i think of the borg now, i'm no way taking it back, those are like my luther's theses ... i can't believe my father divorced my mother on no biblical ground, continued dating her best jw friend, and 3 years later they got married and are a happy respectable "christian" couple... and now he suddendly is not confortable with me because i sent a letter to the elders telling them i no longer believed the same shit they do... my sister simply stopped attending meetings and dated worldly boys, celebrate xmas, birthdays and stuff, but with me is different just because i have a clearer idea of who i really am and i'm trying to live by that.. i thinks this whole thing is unfair, he is totally blackmailing me, it's been years to get to this friendly level with my father, and now he is adding this awful pressure.
i`m sorry Mandrake but my blood boils reading this , cognitive dissonance ? hypocrisy ? Rationalizing ones own lifestyle while condemning someone else`s who probably mirrors your own .Double standards etc.
take care mandrake ,however can`t Lothar sort this all out ?
i`m just curious as to what /who i dedicated/baptized my life to in 1960 compared to who or what j.w.`s are being baptized/dedicating their life into this present day ?.
and what scenarios this could lead into ?
would my baptism still be valid ?
I`m just curious as to what /who I dedicated/baptized my life to in 1960 compared to who or what J.W.`s are being baptized/dedicating their life into this present day ?
And what scenarios this could lead into ? if any ? Would my baptism still be valid ? and should it be ?
If they can move the goalposts after I have made my baptism/dedication, do I not have the same courtesy to reneg my baptism ? because of what they now claim I never accepted that definition or understanding.?
If the JW/WT can change the wording of the baptismal questions ,cant I then challenge the validity of my baptism when I made it? If not why not ?
