Gamaliel

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  Posters that make an impact

  by JH in

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  what posters do you like the most on this forum and why?.

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  I can't believe someone would make a book study group and leave out MR BOOK STUDY, refiners_fire.

  Prisca. I appreciate your comment about him.

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  U.N. Dismantled

  by joannadandy in

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  i just read an article where they were interviewing noam chomsky.

  (i'm not even going to post the whole article because i know with 95% accuracy who will post on the thread, which posters will think he is a brilliant guy, and which posters think he is a pinko cornholio.

  ) in the article he mentioned, and then loosely named the wasington post and wall street journal, that there is a new call that perhaps the u.n. should disband.

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  Good point randomtask.

  I haven't looked at the article regarding this yet, but I thought joannadandy was saying that N.C. was only pointing out how it had come up but that he DIDN'T think it could happen easily.

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  I RENOUNCE MY ASSOCIATION WITH JWS

  by REALNESS in

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  it is my pleasure to announce i have terminated my membership of the jehovahs wittnesses.

  i shall be formally making this statement known to my congregation at tomorrow nights meeting after i have taken the ministry school.

  for many years i have developed my own thoughts on religion and this along with the information i have learned here and on other sites has convinced me that i can no longer live teaching the bollocks the wtbs.

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  I like the way you handled it. Classy. I"m glad you have some family support on the outside. You'll probably make your sister think again as she wonders what went through your mind. Reconsider those cigs though, will ya?

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  U.N. Dismantled

  by joannadandy in

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  i just read an article where they were interviewing noam chomsky.

  (i'm not even going to post the whole article because i know with 95% accuracy who will post on the thread, which posters will think he is a brilliant guy, and which posters think he is a pinko cornholio.

  ) in the article he mentioned, and then loosely named the wasington post and wall street journal, that there is a new call that perhaps the u.n. should disband.

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  For Christmas my son wanted all the Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn I could find. I am starting to read him myself. It's amazing stuff. Of course getting some pro-Iraq-attack folks to read them would be like getting a JW to read "Crisis of Conscience." The books are very well written. It's obvious why attacks on intellectuals have to resort to the ad hominem route.

  I'm especially enjoying Manufacturing Consent because there is simply no argument against it, it is merely using principles of statistics and science to draw conclusions about what gets reported in the news and what political factors work as predictors of the wording that will be used with reference to various types of international events.

  Back to the topic though. That would be soooooo cooooool for the UN to just fold before it gets to be the 8th world power. But you are right about it just being rationalized away. In fact, it might even work for the benefit of the JWs. "See it says it would go off into the sea, or see, it would disappear and then come back -- notice it didn't say how many times it would disappear and come back."

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  ThiChi,

  Another good question is: Why did the US screw with the inspectors 100% of the time, during both major inspections?

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  Are Christian evangelists eyeing Iraq?

  by William Penwell in

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  from al jazeera, are chrsitian evangelists eyeing iraq?

  i can only speak about jw but knowing them they don't miss a chance to convert over all those godless heathens: .

  are christian evangelists eyeing iraq?.

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  What's worse? Food for oil? or, Food for Christianity?
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  Something smells fishy in Iraq

  by unclebruce in

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  australia and the usa are great friends.

  our people have a similar history, culture and optimistic view of life.

  our world view is generally very different though, america being the self appointed policeman of the world and us being a piddling little nation floating free in the southern ocean.

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  unclebruce,

  Excellent post! Are you sure we can't get you started on journalists in bed with the military?

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  U.S. Say It May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site

  by Yizuman in

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  from: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030407/ts_nm/iraq_usa_cache_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473.

  near baghdad (reuters) - u.s. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an iraqi storage site for chemical weapons, a u.s. officer told reuters on monday.

  a military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

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  Yizuman,

  In that case, if people think like that, [that "U.S. tyranny is just better organized and manipulated."]....why aren't people leaving the USA in droves?

  Probably because in many other countries tyranny is not as well organized or manipulated. It's very difficult to live in those other types of tyrannies. Also because most types of tyranny in this country is focused externally on countries that might be detrimental to our economic way of life, or at least the economic "way of life" for a few powerbrokers in this country.

  What if you picked a country to run to that fell afoul of the economic potential of the United States? The United States might just have to send in CIA terrorists as WE ADMIT WE DID in Central America, for example, to topple the government or create/provide an excuse to bully that government. If possible, of course, we will fund their own ready-made terrorists (which we will call freedom fighters for as long as they are working indirectly for our longer-range economic interests).

  In any case, our own country's tyranny is usually protecting us. When this country's tyranny has been pointed internally, it has been primarily been focused on poorer classes and races (blacks, latino, native american) who are less mobile. Also, we don't gas our own people, even though we have been known to gas other people like in Bhopal, India for example, but it was an accident. U.S. tyrants have the largest stockpile of chemical weapons in the world. No one in power in this country would dare speak out against our having chemical weapons, our stockpiling of chemical weapons, our creation of new chemical weapons, or our need to sell these chemical weapons to other tyrants like Saddam. Funny how this country's leaders never even spoke out against Iraq's use of chemical weapons for over a decade.

  The biggest problem with your question is that it assumes that if people aren't fleeing in droves from a tyrant -- that this somehow proves that those in power are not tyrants. Using your logic, millions of non-Kurdish Iraqi people do not think Saddam is a tyrant. Do you really believe Saddam is not a tyrant?

  People are not as free as you might believe. If you have no money and no job and are tied to a specific economic, social or family system for your livelihood then could you just up and move to another country for ANY reason. The sanctions enforced by the tyranny of the U.S. on Iraq has resulted in the deaths of about 1,500,000 Iraqis. (Those are U.S. estimates.) What kind of tyrant kills half a million children in a country through "biological warfare" (enforced starvation)? Yet that is exactly what the United States did INSTEAD of taking out Saddam for humanitarian/human rights reasons which we have had reason to do for nearly two decades. Why didn't we recommend a coalition to take him out before we tried crippling the country first. Is it because we are a tyrant but not a brave tyrant? Why did the United States tacitly approve of this tyrant's handling of his own people? Why did we approve of his weapons? Why did we sell him his weapons?

  It's because most nations that can, become as tyrannical as they can get away with. Perhaps that's unfair, and some nations actually don't have a desire to rape and pillage other nations and their resources in the way that the USA and several European and Asian countries have become famous for over the last 500 years especially. Some nations finally get more sophisticated about it. After a few hundred years we finally stop killing our own inhabitants through civil war, near genocide against native americans, suppression of human rights against various unempowered races. When we the people of the US have enough power we take it out against other nations. We aren't the kind of tyrants that need to use the same tactics as most other nations. Sometimes we act more like a mafia boss that just wants a piece of the economic action wherever we can get it. Sometimes we act like a high-school bully that can just provoke and provoke and provoke the weak little 1st graders, and hope one finally lashes back at us so we can pound them into the dust. (I believe we used those exact words in Afghanistan.) This month, it's "Operation Iraqi Beat'em" into the sand.

  Sorry I picked your thread to rant in. I can also write a very pro-USA thread, but I thought I'd just try to answer the question about how this country could be a tyrant even if the people weren't leaving in droves.

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  A little Monday Morning fun

  by caligirl in

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  i just got back from the doctors, where i decided to entertain myself a bit.

  the waiting room was not too crowded, and i spotted a few recent copies of the watchtower and awake on the magazine table.

  so i broke out my pen, and left a message on the inside of each of the magazines.

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  Hey, don't throw out the magazines from any laundromat on 8th Ave in NYC. Ever since they stopped our subscriptions that's the only place I can still get my magazines.

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  Do you Represent God or a Magazine Company ????????????????

  by nightwarrior in

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  the question of whos faith , built the j.w organization ,as we know charles taz russell the founding member, whom started the organization,what did he beleive in,why was he considerd apostate ,what conections astrology of and pyramidology led him to use the pyramids as defining the dates jehovahs witnesess recognise as being evident in there calculations,did jesus use the stars to calculate any significant events pertaining to mans future, why was the founding farther terminated by the society, why were most of his written works suddenly deemed apostate,e.g the aid book ,used when i came into the truth or so called truth ,what is the difference between a magazine printing company and the modern day watchtower organization, one claims to work in gods name ,the other doesnot make any claims at all.. is your faith in jesus or the organization /???

  check out the founding farthers history,.

  as you owe it to yourself.are you really serving jehovah or just a magazine money mad organization.

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  This is just opinion, but I can't imagine the WTS ever calling the Aid book apostate material. It's replaced and the hint is there that there just might be material in the Aid book that you should be suspicious of. But they will never point it out specifically.

  Also they have never called Russell's works apostate material, either. Russell would never be considered an apostate. The closest thing the JWs have published that is now considered apostate material are the two books: A Commentary on the Letter of James and Choosing the Best Way of Life (which was a commentary on Peter).

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