Posts by Duran

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

Satan cannot reproduce and make literal children.

Therefore you have proven my argument with your own words, using "son of X" meaning characteristics of X.

Noone has said that Satan makes literal children/sons. It is said of these people based on them having the characteristics of Satan that Satan is their father. That does not mean that he is literally their father nor that they are literally his children/sons. And most of all, saying that they have the characteristics of him, does not mean they are Satan himself, and likewise it does not mean that Jesus having the characteristics of Jehovah God, does not make him, Jehovah God himself.

Destruction cannot make a son, so Satan cannot make a son.

In saying, 'son of peace', 'peace' there represents God in that it is a fruit of his spirit. So, son/someone with the spirit/characteristic/nature of 'peace' would have the spirit/characteristic/nature of God, therefore called a 'son of God'.

[But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,]

[For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”]

Likewise, just as "peace' is the spirit of God, 'destruction' represents the spirit of Satan. Those who manifest the spirit/characteristic/nature of Satan, it is said that Satan is their father, so their life by their choices/actions will lead them to destruction just like the end result is for Satan.

[John 8:44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father.]

["Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it.]

[After Judas took the piece of bread, then Satan entered into him. So Jesus said to him: “What you are doing, do it more quickly.”] [While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.]

[Let no one lead you astray in any way, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.] [But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing,]

It is not easy coming to terms with change after leaving the Watchtower. It is all people know.

For some, it is all people will cling to even after they leave. Some will never stop quoting the NWT,

I was never a JW and I have cited from more than the NWT. See here.

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

Just posting it again without explaining it shows you are not very good at defending your points-just sort of dense.

So when Jesus is referred to as the “son of,” it’s not in reference to him being born from the father. It’s actually a claim of his deity.

To be the Son of God is to be of the same nature as God.

LOL! I did defend it, but you chose not to acknowledge the Scriptures shown.

If God created Satan, is Satan God's son? Is God Satan's father?

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You know the answer to the above and yet the following uses 'father' about Satan in regard to people and even a 'LIE'. According to the context here, people are either identified as 'children' of Satan or of God. This would not make these 'people' to actually be God or Satan. People are identified with being either a 'son of Satan' or 'son of God' based on their own personal behavioral traits/nature and how it lines up with the behavioral traits/nature of God and Satan.

5207 hyiós – properly, a son (by birth or adoption); (figuratively) anyone sharing the same nature as their Father.

[They said to him: “We were not born from immorality; we have one Father, God.” Jesus said to them: “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I have not come of my own initiative, but that One sent me. Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to my word. You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me. Who of you convicts me of sin? If I speak truth, why is it that you do not believe me? The one who is from God listens to the sayings of God. This is why you do not listen, because you are not from God.”]

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To say, 'son of peace' is in keeping with saying 'son of God'.

[And if a son of peace * is there, your peace will rest upon him. But if not, it will return to you.]

* (Friend of peace/God, Someone of peace/God, Man of peace/God)

[But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,]

[For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”]

[and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God.]

[You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.]

[But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law, that he might release by purchase those under law, so that we might receive the adoption as sons.]

[Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”]

[Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.]

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To say, 'son of destruction' is in keeping with saying 'son of Satan'.

[While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me. I have guarded them, and not one of them has been lost except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.]

[Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,]

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

Why did the NWT change it to "friend" if "son" always means "son" like you are saying?

First off, I never said it always means it. Also, it is not just the NWT that changes it to 'friend' but also others say, 'anyone', 'man', 'person', 'someone', etc.

But just as you contradicted yourself as shown here in your own words:

one cannot argue that the expression "son of X" in the Bible means "child of X,"

Yes, there are times the word "son" refers to a male child,

When it is speaking of Jesus being the 'son of God', are those times.

As well as:

Galatians 4:4-6 [But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his Son, who was born of a woman and who was under law, that he might release by purchase those under law, so that we might receive the adoption as sons.]

John 20:17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”

And here.

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

one cannot argue that the expression "son of X" in the Bible means "child of X," as it was not written in American English.

[John 6:42 They said, “Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?”]

[Mark 6:3 Then they scoffed, “He’s just a carpenter, the son of Mary and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon. And his sisters live right here among us.” They were deeply offended and refused to believe in him.]

Matthew 6:9

John 20:17

1 Corinthians 15:22-28

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

* think

Yada Yada-ing Sex | The Yada Yada | Seinfeld - YouTube

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

@SB

So, no answer to the 3 questions?

@DOC

LOL. You don't she 'yada sex' do you?

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Duran

He deceives my own people who dwell on the earth because of the signs he was granted to do in front of the beast, saying to those who dwell on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the sword wound and lived.” Revelation 13:11,12,14

LOL. The deceiving being done here is by you in citing Scriptures falsely.

And I am still waiting for you to tell me where these TRUE so-called anointed (chosen ones) are today? How are they preaching and teaching, following the Lamb wherever he goes?

How is it that they 'remain virgins'?

How is it that 'no lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless'?

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

[As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”]

[what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?]

[“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.]

If God created Satan, is Satan, God's son?

If Jesus said he is God's son, are Jesus and Satan brothers?

Is Satan, Jesus' son?

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Trinity Statements in the Dead Sea Scrolls

by Sea Breeze in

dr. ken johnson has identified several statements in the dead sea scrolls that predict that god would visit the earth as a man... as the messiah.

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrfvytjhve&ab_channel=kenjohnson%28biblefacts%29 .

Duran

So you beleive that God created a lesseer God ? That's not what scripture says:

@SeaBreeze

Who created Satan?

2 Corinthians 4:4

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Sign of the Last Days

by Fisherman in

in the sermon on the mount, jesus foretold that earthquakes “in one place after another” would be part of the sign of the last days clímaxing in the great tribulation.. what could jesus possibly have meant?

using a phone app nowadays, there are earthquakes detected in one place after another but is this what jesus meant and did they have so many earthquakes throughout the centuries affter his prophecy or are these modern day detected earthquakes unique to this epoch?

how can we be sure unequivocally that modern day earthquakes are part of the sign fulfilling bible prophecy?.

Duran

Maybe these scriptures will help, showing the fall into false teachings:

They show nothing about falling into false teachings. These have to do with the time during the 42-months. You conveniently leave those verses out.

[5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation..]

[24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.] [2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.]

And again, when it comes to the chosen ones, these would never fall into false teachings. That is the whole point why they get chosen.

[These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.]