Posts by Duran

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What has the Spiritual Paradise of the WTS been over time

by blondie in

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the first mention i find in the wts publications is 1958. although the wts says the index goes from 1930 to 1985, nothing appears before 1958 a search only found by using the phrase "spiritual paradise" not in the index.

in 2015 there was a clarification of the phrase "of course, we should not conclude that the terms “spiritual paradise” and “spiritual temple” are the same.

the spiritual temple is god’s arrangement for true worship.".

Duran

10 The expression “spiritual paradise” has become a part of our theocratic vocabulary. It describes our unique, spiritually rich environment, or condition, which allows us to enjoy peace with God and with our brothers. - w15 7/15

When they mention “spiritual paradise” their most important date of 1919 is usually closely cited. Sure enough in the next paragraph it reads:

11 How exciting it is to know that since 1919, Jehovah has allowed imperfect humans to work with him in cultivating, strengthening, and expanding the spiritual paradise on earth! - w15 7/15

We know that 1919 is a lie, but it is a necessary one to fulfill:

[8 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “‘For the reason that YOU men have spoken untruth and YOU have visioned a lie, therefore here I am against YOU,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.” 9 And my hand has come to be against the prophets that are visioning untruth and that are divining a lie. In the intimate group of my people they will not continue on, and in the register of the house of Israel they will not be written, and to the soil of Israel they will not come; and YOU people will have to know that I am the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, 10 for the reason, yes, for the reason that they have led my people astray, saying, “There is peace!” when there is no peace, and there is one that is building a partition wall, but in vain there are those plastering it with whitewash.’11 Say to those plastering with whitewash that it will fall. A flooding downpour will certainly occur, and YOU, O hailstones, will fall, and a blast of windstorms itself will cause a splitting. 12 And, look! the wall must fall. Will it not be said to YOU men, ‘Where is the coating with which YOU did the plastering?’]

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

Duran

In my opinion, e-watchman has the most accurate understanding of 'the rapture'

RK (e-watchman) is a fool. And most everyone on his site are too for believing him on the things he says. They have just replaced the GB for him.

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FDS 1919 Declaration Date

by NotFormer in

did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

such as some calculation attached to 1914?

that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

Duran

It's all about 1919 for the WTS. If they lost that year, they lose the so-called appointment of being appointed the F&DS and they don't want that, so they have to keep lying about the rest of the years that they used to arrive at 1919.

Oct 607B.C.E.>>2,520 years later>Oct 1914C.E.>>1,260 days later>April 1918/July 1918>March 1919

[w16 March p. 29 - All the evidence indicates that this captivity ended in 1919 when anointed Christians were gathered into the restored congregation. Consider: God’s people were tested and refined during the years following the establishment of God’s Kingdom in the heavens in 1914. (Mal. 3:1-4) Then, in 1919, Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave” over God’s cleansed people to give them spiritual “food at the proper time.” (Matt. 24:45-47) This was the year that God’s people started to return to their God-given spiritual estate. It was also the time when they were released from symbolic captivity to Babylon the Great. (Rev. 18:4)]

Ezekiel 13:1-16

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FDS 1919 Declaration Date

by NotFormer in

did rutherford have any "prophetic" justification for 1919 as the date that jesus declared him (ahem, the wt organisation) the fds?

such as some calculation attached to 1914?

that in 1919, jesus would come looking for his true organisation?.

Duran

Get ready to

[ 11-15-14 WT p. 30 - Revelation 11:3 speaks of two witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days. The account then says that the wild beast would “conquer them and kill them.” But after “three and a half days,” these two witnesses would be brought back to life, much to the amazement of all onlookers.—Rev. 11:7, 11.]…[At the end of their preaching in sackcloth, these anointed ones were symbolically killed when they were thrown into prison for a comparatively shorter period of time, a symbolic three and a half days.]

[g01 11/22 p. 18-19 - FIRST, you may be interested to learn when and how Jehovah’s Witnesses originally entered this prison. It was July 4, 1918. A group of eight distinguished Christian ministers were escorted up the 15 granite steps of this federal penitentiary. If the common practice of the time was followed, they were handcuffed to “belly-chains,” with their legs shackled. The newcomers were spiritually qualified men who took the lead among the International Bible Students, as Jehovah’s Witnesses were then known. Those men could not have guessed that it would take less than a year to establish that their imprisonment was a gross miscarriage of justice. In March 1919, the eight Witness ministers walked down those same prison steps, unshackled and free. They were later exonerated when the authorities decided to withdraw the prosecution.]

The WTS claim (not shown here) from Oct 1914 to April 1918 the two-witnesses preached for the 1,260 days. Then in July 1918 when they went to prison that was the wild beast killing them and then in March 1919 when they got out of prison that is them being brought back to life after 3 and half days.

WTS did good math with Oct 1914 to April 1918 because that is 3 years 6 months like the 1,260 days but when it comes to so-called being killed for 3 and half days, that turn out to be 8 months, July 1918 to March 1919.

Next thing is that the beast that is said to kill the two-witnesses, the WTS says it is the UN. Problem is the UN did not exist in 1918. It did not come about until 1945. The League of Nations was not even around in 1918. That didn't come about until 1920 according to the WTS.

[Rev 17:8 The wild beast that you saw was, but is not, and yet is about to ascend out of the abyss, and it is to go off into destruction.]

[Revelation Grand Climax p. 246-248 - “The wild beast . . . was.” Yes, it had existed as the League of Nations from January 10, 1920, onward,]…[The scarlet-colored wild beast did indeed climb out of the abyss. On June 26, 1945, with noisy fanfare in San Francisco, U.S.A., 50 nations voted to accept the Charter of the United Nations organization.]

[Rev 11: 3 I will cause my two witnesses to prophesy for 1,260 days dressed in sackcloth.”7 When they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will wage war with them and conquer them and kill them 11 After the three and a half days, spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell upon those who saw them.]

So how did the UN/wild beast put the 8 men in prison in July 1918?

And why is the 1,260 days 42 months/3 and half years, but the 3 and half days are 8 months?

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No Reporting of Time, Tithing is OK, Now WT Teaches a "Rapture" - What's Next?

by Sea Breeze in

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time.

- the watchtower—study edition | july 2015. ok so they refuse to use the word "rapture".

kinda like they refuse to use the word church and clergy (except when it suits their purposes in court cases).

Duran

those who will be taken to heaven will first need to be “changed, in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet.” Therefore, while we do not use the term “rapture” here because of its wrong connotation, the remaining faithful anointed will be gathered together in an instant of time. - The Watchtower—Study Edition | July 2015

Isn't the 7th trumpet the LAST TRUMPET? Guess Rev 11:15 was not fulfilled in 1914 after all. Still future AFTER the GT!

[15 For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.]

[51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed.]

[29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.]

[15 The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]

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What's next?

by lastmanstanding in

what's next for the world?

a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.

and i shared that map with various friends.

Duran

right on que there will be so-called terrorist attacks here said to be done from the terrorist that came through the open border.

12-5-23 FBI Director Wray sounds the alarm, once again.

US considering 'appropriate action' in response to Houthi missile attacks in Red Sea (msn.com)

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Encouraging scriptures for the day

by Kosonen in

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friends

hello my friends,.

here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.

revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).

Duran

17 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother, and he sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of the sons of their people. He has exposed his sister to shame. He should answer for his error.

12 And besides, she really is my sister, the daughter of my father but not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife.

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Doctrines and Bible Interpretations

by IWant2Know in

i would like to know if ex's and formers who are not church christians, believe that many of jws' doctrines and bible interpretations are correct, or do you feel that they aren't?

.

Duran

For example, do you know Prince Charles personally? Or do you just know some facts about him?

Fact: Charles is a so-called 'king' now.

Can you even say something like, "Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins?

Sins that your father decided that ALL people would inherit because the first two people he created listened to your evil brother who your father also created.

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February 2024 Study Watchtower -

by BoogerMan in

february 2024 study watchtower p. 2 par.

2 - "however, a question may arise: 🤣 what will happen to christ’s “other sheep” who will be serving jehovah faithfully on earth during the “great tribulation”?

(john 10:16; matt.

Duran

It was a 'stake' that was already fixed in the ground. Then the one who was to be executed would carry out with them the crosspiece that would be affixed to the 'stake'.

4716 staurós – the crosspiece of a Roman cross; the cross-beam (Latin, patibulum) placed at the top of the vertical member to form a capital "T." "This transverse beam was the one carried by the criminal"

John 19:16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified. So the soldiers took charge of Jesus.17 They took Jesus, therefore, and He went out, carrying His own cross, to the place called the Place of a Skull, which in Hebrew is called, Golgotha.

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February 2024 Study Watchtower -

by BoogerMan in

february 2024 study watchtower p. 2 par.

2 - "however, a question may arise: 🤣 what will happen to christ’s “other sheep” who will be serving jehovah faithfully on earth during the “great tribulation”?

(john 10:16; matt.

Duran

[6-1-89 WT – Since 1919 the cleansed and refined members of the anointed remnant have been freed from the unclean, idolatrous religions of Babylon the Great. (Malachi 3:1-3)]

WTS celebrating Christmas is proof they could not have been cleansed/refined during 1914/1918 period resulting in a cleansed/refined people since 1919 onward, because they celebrated the pagan Christmas Holiday for 10 more years after 1919. They celebrated it until 1929.

[1975 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses p. 147- In Pastor Russell’s day, Christmas was celebrated at the old Bible House in Allegheny, Pennsylvania. Ora Sullivan Wakefield recalls that Brother Russell gave members of the Bible House family five- or ten-dollar gold pieces at Christmas. Mabel P. M. Philbrick remarks: “A custom that certainly would not be carried on today was the celebration of Christmas with a Christmas tree in the Bethel dining room. Brother Russell’s usual ‘Good morning, all’ was changed to ‘Merry Christmas, all.’”]

[7-15-65 WT – I was asked to give an hour talk over a hookup on the subject of Christmas. It was given December 12, 1928, and published in The Golden Age #241 and again a year later in #268. That talk pointed out the pagan origin of Christmas. After that, the brothers at Bethel never celebrated Christmas again.]