but one is a baptized JW and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?
Thanks for your help.
R.
Maybe this might be helpful?
(Sorry about calling you "Shirley")
Posts by Duran
-
21Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?
by EdenOne inhello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.
but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.
thanks for your help.. r..
-
-
Duran
-
101
The Next Big Thing In WT World
by NotFormer inthings got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
-
-
Duran
Pathetic well describes you in your inability or refusal to simply provide a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE
What is the relevance of 607 now being that the WTS are no longer pointing to WW1 as the point the horsemen started their ride?
They have moved that up to recent events and are pointing to WW3 looming around the corner that will lead to the GT and then Armageddon.
It is on their main page right now.
Funny how you just skip over my post on page 5.
-
101
The Next Big Thing In WT World
by NotFormer inthings got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
-
-
Duran
Further, your blogs on the website do not contain a single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE. So, where is it?
Who gives a rat's ass about your beloved WTS 607, I have just showed that they have thrown that all out with what they recently showed on their website.
Noticed NOTHING about WW1, 1914, BTG mentioned, instead they say that recent events are what are taking peace from the earth, and they will lead to world war and GT and Armageddon. They even admit the use of nuclear weapons being used.
I actually agree with them on that. This is the first time they are actually correct. But they are only correct this time because it is happening before all to see for themselves. It's not like they had the insight on this beforehand.
The point being though is that pointing to the recent events and a future world war and connecting Rev 6 to it, completely nullifies WW1/1914.
_______________
[KEEP ON THE WATCH!
Is World War Inevitable?—What Does the Bible Say?
During the past 30 years, many people have felt that the international order was stable and even improving. However, that view is being challenged by recent events.- “Israel, Hezbollah trade fire across Lebanon border amid alarm over Gaza war spillover.”—Reuters, January 6, 2024.
- “With its proxies attacking from many vantage points and its nuclear program suddenly revived, Iran is posing a new challenge to the West—this time with Russia and China on its side.”—The New York Times, January 7, 2024.
- “Russian strikes continue to wreak havoc across Ukraine.”—UN News, January 11, 2024.
- “China’s rising economic and military heft, Taiwan’s burgeoning sense of national identity, and fractious relations between Beijing and Washington mean the conditions for a crisis are in place.”—The Japan Times, January 9, 2024.
Does the Bible say anything about the international instability that we are seeing today? Will it lead to world war?
The Bible foretold current events:
The Bible did not foretell any specific war that we are seeing today. However, it did foretell the rampant warfare that is marking our time and is taking “peace away from the earth.”—Revelation 6:4.
The book of Daniel foretold that “in the time of the end,” competing world powers would engage in a “pushing,” or struggle for dominance. That struggle would involve projecting great military power and spending vast “treasures,” or financial resources.—Daniel 11:40, 42, 43.
A war that is coming:
The Bible indicates that the world situation will get worse before it gets better. Jesus foretold that “there would be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning.” (Matthew 24:21) That “great tribulation” will culminate in a war called Armageddon, which is described as “the war of the great day of God the Almighty.”—Revelation 16:14, 16. However, Armageddon will save mankind, not destroy it. By means of that war, God will bring an end to human rulership, which has caused so many destructive wars.] -
101
The Next Big Thing In WT World
by NotFormer inthings got a bit lively after the agm leaks in october.
there was a lot of discussion going on on this board for a few months.
now that all the leaks have been more or less confirmed as policy, and we've had lively discussions at length concerning the changes, things seem to have slowed down here.. a few suggestions have been raised as to what might be the next changes, such as women being allowed to wear slacks (in the usa, anyway), decoupling from 1914 as an anchoring date and others.. so, what changes do you think will be announced this year?.
-
-
Duran
My money is on another change to 1914. This year felt like table-setting in preparation for it.
They have already shifted away just as recent as 1/21/24.
They used to say that WW1 in 1914 is when the horsemen started his ride to take peace away from the earth. Now they say that the Bible didn't mention any 'specific' war that we are seeing today but the warfare that is marking our time (recent events) is taking 'peace away from the earth' and will lead to world war. And that will lead to the GT, which will lead too and end with Armageddon.
Is World War Inevitable?—What Does the Bible Say?
-
48
Is Jesus God?
by Sea Breeze ini know that a lot of historical names have claimed to be a god.
but, jesus arguably claimed to be god.
scripture says he's the creator.
-
-
Duran
Allah is not referring to a separate God than Jehovah. Allah is Arabic for the word God, just like Elohim is in Hebrew.
-
77
What's next?
by lastmanstanding inwhat's next for the world?
a year ago i edited a map of the world to include some big arrows to tell the story of what is to come.
and i shared that map with various friends.
-
-
-
40
A Modest proposal to solve the 1914 problem
by r51785 inthroughout watchtower history dates have been a problem.
the usual solution for failed prophetic dates has been to kick the can down the road.
this needs to be done with 1914. the generation that will never pass away is now 110 years old and therefore is past its useful life span.
-
-
Duran
However, if 607 BCE is demonstrably wrong then only ONE line of evidence is needed. So, my challenge to all critics of the date 607 BCE is to provide one single line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE?
The 70 years were from 609-539, not 607-537. 539 is the 70th year it is not the 68th year lie that the WTS tried to sneak in there.
__________________________
[5-1-68 WT - One example of encouragement derived from understanding the time feature concerning prophecy had to do with the time when Judah and Jerusalem lay desolate for seventy years. Due to the apostasy of the Jews they were held captive by Babylon, the world power of that time. Under the inspiration of God’s holy spirit the prophet Jeremiah had foretold this seventy-year period. Concerning Judah and Jerusalem, as well as other nearby nations, Jeremiah prophesied: “All this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” (Jer. 25:11) But in addition to this desolation Jehovah’s word through Jeremiah foretold something else, a restoration would take place after the time period expired: “For this is what Jehovah has said, ‘In accord with the fulfilling of seventy years at Babylon I shall turn my attention to you people, and I will establish toward you my good word in bringing you back to this place.’”—Jer. 29:10. True to Jehovah’s Word, Babylonian captivity came. The land of Judah lay desolate. The years passed.
Eventually, sixty-eight years later,[then in 539 the 70th year, Jehovah's appointed time to call Babylon to account], the combined armies of the Medes and Persians captured overconfident Babylon, entering the city whose gates had been carelessly left open. Almost without a fight Babylon was overthrown.]Compare:
[11-15-98 WT – We know that Jehovah is the Great Timekeeper, and we have confidence that he never fails to fulfill his purposes at his appointed time.]
[Jeremiah 25:11 And all this land will be reduced to ruins and will become an object of horror, and THESE NATIONS will have to serve the king of Babylon for 70 years.”’ 12 ‘But when 70 years have been fulfilled, I will call to account the king of Babylon and that nation for their error,’ declares Jehovah,]
[8-1-81 WT – “The idol-worshiping Babylonians now were in line for God’s judgment to be executed upon them. That happened in 539 B.C.E. when Babylon was overthrown by the Medes and the Persians.”]
-
17
"We're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days....
by Ron.W. in"we're living in the final part of the last days, undoubtedly the final part of the final part of the last days, shortly before the last day of the last days!!!".
how are they going to phrase this in ten years time......
-
-
Duran
April 1, 1967 Watchtower p.197)
In fact, in this year 1967 we are actually living in the final part of that time! This can be compared to, not just the last day of a week, but, rather, the last part of that last day.
Just an April Fools' day joke...
-
30
What does God eat ?
by stan livedeath inbeans ?
( human beans ).
to those of you that believe in god: do you all believe the same thing ?.
-
-
Duran
Does time exist? When did it begin and when does it end?
Does space exist? Where is its beginning and where is its end?
Does wind exist? Can you see it or just the effects of it?GOD IS NOTHING! A VIEW POINT FROM Netflix Special #god #comedy #legaldrama (youtube.com)
In thinking about how amazing 'wind' is, how it in itself is not visible but if you look out and see the leaves and branches moving, you say its 'windy'. Or during a storm, strong gusty 'winds'. Hurricanes and tornados are measured by their 'wind' speeds. Wind is strong, powerful and even destructive, yet 'wind' is invisible. (At least to us.)
But what also blows my mind is as I sit here and write this on my laptop (This example applies to each of our cell phones as well, DTV antennas, FM/AM, satellites, etc.) there is a modem and router in a closet out of sight. My laptop is not connected to anything and yet think of all that can be seen and done on it due to the invisible force/signal that is coming from the router to the laptop and then out again from my laptop. How in the heck are these words that I type or that YouTube video above traveling through the air/wind? It is not visible or physical and yet it exists and is functioning right here around me.
-
543
Encouraging scriptures for the day
by Kosonen inhello my friends,.
here are some encouraging scriptures for the day:.
revelation 21:2 i also saw the holy city, new jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from god and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.. hebrews 11:10 for he (abraham) was awaiting the city having real foundations, whose designer and builder is god.. revelation 21:24 and the nations will walk by means of its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it.. revelation 22:1 and he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of god and of the lamb 2 down the middle of its main street (of the holy city).
-
-
Duran
LOL!
Queequeg, you have your work cut out for you, don't you?