Posts by Duran

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A Jehovah's Witness family's excellent Letter of Resignation trending on exjw Reddit today

by Balaamsass2 in

i got an email notice today on this excellent letter of resignation from a german family that is trending on reddit.

i thought i would share it here if anyone is so inclined to write one.

for those with pimi jw family and jw business connections, it may not be wise to share such a letter, but i imagine it must be very freeing to send such a letter.

Duran

Nowhere does the Bible mention that Christians should call themselves by the name that God gave to the people of Israel, which significantly does not appear once in the basic Greek text of the New Testament. We want to be witnesses of Jesus and simply be called Christians - as Jesus commanded and as it was also ordained by divine providence (Acts 1:8; 11:26).

A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is a witness of his God and Father Jehovah. (John 20:17;16:27;17:7,8)

To follow Jesus would mean too also be a witness of Jehovah.

[ 5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.”]

[ 16 Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him who sent me. 17 If anyone desires to do His will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or I speak of my own originality. 18 Whoever speaks of his own originality is seeking his own glory; but whoever seeks the glory of the one who sent him, this one is true and there is no unrighteousness in him.]

[49 For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak.]

[28 Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things.]

____________________

What allowed these people to be JWs to begin with?

They said this:

We strongly recommend that you look up the biblical passages quoted and check for yourselves whether this is really the case (Acts 17:11).
Firstly, it must be noted: The critical examination of special teachings is not apostasy, but a Christian commandment (1 John 4:1, 1 Thess. 5:21).

These Scriptures have always been there and said the same. If they followed that from the beginning they would never have become JWs.

And here:

We therefore hereby declare that we no longer wish to be known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
We ask for written confirmation.

Why do they request from a fake/baseless religion to tell them what they are or not?

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lets imagine big A really does happen...

by stan livedeath in

lets imagine the watchtower idea of armageddon really does happen in the next couple of years.... and afterwards jehovah says to the gb.

" right guys--ive done my part--its all over to you now.

see you again in 1000 years time ".

Duran

prune juice ?

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lets imagine big A really does happen...

by stan livedeath in

lets imagine the watchtower idea of armageddon really does happen in the next couple of years.... and afterwards jehovah says to the gb.

" right guys--ive done my part--its all over to you now.

see you again in 1000 years time ".

Duran

There will be no WTS/GB post-Armageddon.

There will be individual JWs post-Armageddon, but not because of their association with the WTS today, but because when the time comes for the 8th king to rule, they will refuse to support it. (Refuse the MOTB)

That will be the case for all people now that will be in the post-Armageddon world.

Revelation 14:6,7,9-12;13:5,7,10;19:20,21;7:9,10,13-17;20:4

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Thought For the Day - for PIMI JW's

by BoogerMan in

which name does the evil faithful slave's literature demand that you focus on - jehovah or jesus?.

do jesus & the bible agree with the org's obsession with the name 'jehovah', or was jesus just being presumptuous?

(matthew 10:22) and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me.... (matthew 18:20) for where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.”.

Duran

Jesus is the first and the last in the sense that he is the first creation, and the first to be resurrected from the dead, and the last Adam

So, Rev 1:17,18 is referring to Jesus.

None of these apply to God who cannot die and was not created.

Are you saying that none of the others are referring to Jehovah?

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Thought For the Day - for PIMI JW's

by BoogerMan in

which name does the evil faithful slave's literature demand that you focus on - jehovah or jesus?.

do jesus & the bible agree with the org's obsession with the name 'jehovah', or was jesus just being presumptuous?

(matthew 10:22) and you will be objects of hatred by all people on account and whoever receives one such young child on the basis of my name receives me.... (matthew 18:20) for where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there i am in their midst.”.

Duran

Its importance here lies in the double use of kyrios. The one is clearly Yahweh, but who is the other? Clearly not Yahweh, but an exalted being whom the psalmist calls kyrios. (2) Paul calls Jesus kyrios, but he seems to have marked reservations about actually calling Jesus 'God'

[7 Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.8 “I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga,” says Lord (kyrios) God, “the One who is and who was and who is coming, the Almighty.”]

Who is Lord (kyrios) referring to there, Jehovah or Jesus?

[6 And he said to me: “They have come to pass! I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the spring of the water of life free.]

Jehovah or Jesus?

[13 I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.]

Jehovah or Jesus?

[12 Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One. I am the first; I am also the last.]

Jehovah or Jesus?

[17 When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.]

Jehovah or Jesus?

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Jehovah’s Witnesses or Jesus Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

keith writes.

you have just touched on a flawed doctrinal belief that is foundational to false religion.. first, it is important to understand what false religion means when they call themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

by this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the father” despite the fact that jehovah is not the name of god at all, but a concoction of human origin from the dark ages.. here is the flaw:.

Duran

[9 I John, your brother and a sharer with you in the tribulation and kingdom and endurance in association with Jesus, was on the island called Patʹmos for speaking about God and bearing witness concerning Jesus.]

[9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those slaughtered because of the word of God and because of the witness they had given. 10 They shouted with a loud voice, saying: “Until when, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, are you refraining from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” 11 And a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer, until the number was filled of their fellow slaves and their brothers who were about to be killed as they had been.]

[6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people. 7 He was saying in a loud voice: “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of judgment by him has arrived, so worship the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and the springs of water.” 9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the wild beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he will also drink of the wine of the anger of God that is poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb. 12 Here is where it calls for endurance on the part of the holy ones, those who keep the commandments of God and hold fast to the faith of Jesus.”]

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

[9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”]

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Jehovah’s Witnesses or Jesus Witnesses?

by Vanderhoven7 in

keith writes.

you have just touched on a flawed doctrinal belief that is foundational to false religion.. first, it is important to understand what false religion means when they call themselves jehovah’s witnesses.

by this, they declare themselves to be “witnesses of the father” despite the fact that jehovah is not the name of god at all, but a concoction of human origin from the dark ages.. here is the flaw:.

Duran

Is it even possible for ANYONE to be a witness of the Father?
The answer to that from the Bible is No!

Christians were to be witnesses of Christ, not Jehovah:

Going by the criteria of not being able to a witness of Jehovah because of not have ever seeing him, then no one other than those that lived during the time of Jesus and that saw him could be his witnesses either.

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Duran

[12 But this man offered one sacrifice for sins for all time and sat down at the right hand of God,]

[ 21 To the one who conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, just as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.]

[31 “When the Son of man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne.]

[4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were given authority to judge. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed for the witness they gave about Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years.]

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Duran

There are eighteen citations of Matthew xxviii. 19, and always in the following form: “Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in my name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you.”

Even if that is the case it doesn't change what it means there in saying 'in my name' or 'in the name of'. Saying that does not mean disciples take on to themselves the name "Jehoshua'. It means that they would be going making/teaching with the authority of Jehoshua behind them to go and do that disciple making work.

The only name said to be given to use/apply to disciples is 'Christians'.

[ 18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”]

[ 38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.]

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Do JWs believe Jesus is an angel?

by slimboyfat in

i would suggest:.

the short answer is yes.. the longer answer is a qualified yes, with some caveats.

the short answer is yes because jehovah’s witnesses teach that jesus is michael the archangel, their leader, eldest and most powerful, and have taught this since the very beginning of the religion.

Duran

yes, Matt 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" is spurious.

Jesus gave a command but yet there is no record of anyone following through with it.

That's because it is not meant the way most think it does. It is not saying to baptize 'in the name of' any of or each of the 3 mentioned. It means that they have authority to go baptize with the said behind them/supporting them.

It's like saying, STOP, 'in the name of the law'. A policeman can tell a person to STOP with the authority of the law backing him.