hi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.
i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.
the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.
But to the point of the title of my thread: My folks and I have been out since the 1980's, so as you know contact was very limited. Many years went by, and then my Mother gets a letter from her daughter.
It sounds as though your parents raised you and your sister a JWs, then at some point your parents and you stop attending but your sister continued.
Is that right?
If so, do your parents accept responsibility for your sister (their daughter) becoming a JW?
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
One resurrection performed by Christ would suffice for believers. 100 resurrections wouldn't be enough for non-believers.
Well put.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
The account has nothing to do with people lying or not.
From the people's perspective the girl was dead/unresponsive/unable to be wakened.
From Jesus' perspective she was just sleeping, rather because she was dead or in a coma. In either case, he knew he would wake up/heal/resurrect her back to an awakened lively state. (The dead can also be referred to as resting/sleeping.)
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Can you please provide independently verified evidence that these things actually happen ,and that a miracle worker called jesus ever existed?
Can you ever say anything other than that over and over...
I need not prove anything, and I never said they happened or not, I said I wish I had a $1 for everyone today that does believe they happen.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
That account is found in two Gospels; Luke 8 and Mark 5. Here's my question. In Both accounts all the people at the house are crying and wailing loudly saying the girl is dead.
Jesus tells them the girl is NOT DEAD BUT SLEEPING.
For someone who expects BILLIONS upon billions of people that have lived the past two thousands years, to believe some man that lived 2000 years ago, and has the power to resurrect hundreds of billions of people who have died from the time of Cave Men, with every single one of their memories intact IT'S ASKING A LOT base on three measly resurrections that are questionable to begin with.
Instead he resurrects less than three people in his entire lifetime, two that weren't even buried yet, and one in a secluded place with only friends around to witness the event.
What impact would that have on convincing people that this man performing thousands of resurrections was God or sent by God?
If this man said; "Follow me and you will have life eternal"
It's found in 3 accounts, not 2.
It seems that you are the only one questioning what a resurrection is or is not. Whether the 12-year-old girl was clinically dead or in a comatose state, she apparently was in a state that her parents could not awaken her, and Jesus came and brought her out of the state, back to a lively awoken state.
Yet today we are talking about those 3 measly so-called resurrections from nearly 2,000 years ago. I wish I had a $1 for everyone today that believes that these 3 events took place.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Jesus is the TRUTH....He has no Sin......He cannot LIE.
The People are sinners....they are prone to lie..........they were not doctors.
So who do we believe? Jesus to tell the truth, or the People who said she had died?If we believe Jesus tells the truth, then The Girl was not dead because Jesus said so. The people who said she had died were all lying because of ignorance. That means Jesus DID NOT RESURRECT THE LITTLE GIRL.
[49 While he was yet speaking, a representative of the presiding officer of the synagogue came, saying: “Your daughter has died; do not bother the Teacher any longer.” 50 On hearing this, Jesus answered him: “Have no fear, only have faith, and she will be saved.” 51 When he reached the house, he did not let anyone go in with him except Peter, John, James, and the girl’s father and mother. 52 But people were all weeping and beating themselves in grief for her. So he said: “Stop weeping, for she did not die but is sleeping.” 53 At this they began to laugh at him scornfully, because they knew she had died. 54 But he took her by the hand and called to her: “Child, get up!” 55 And her spirit returned, and she rose immediately, and he ordered that something be given her to eat.]
[11 After he said these things, he added: “Lazʹa·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.” 12 The disciples then said to him: “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will get well.” 13 Jesus, however, had spoken about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus said to them plainly: “Lazʹa·rus has died, 15 and I rejoice for your sake that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”17 When Jesus arrived, he found that Lazʹa·rus had already been in the tomb for four days. ” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Lazʹa·rus, come out!” 44 The man who had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them: “Free him and let him go.”]
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Yet you compared a man that brings a child into this world of suffering...with God
It was in regard to having a 'choice' as well as 'suffering'.
Why do parents (man/woman) make the 'choice' to bring children into a world full of 'suffering'? Is that a LOVING thing to do?
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
The common mistake of confusing God with man, as you did above. You are correct tho, you were powerless in coming into existence, whereas God was powerful for bringing you into it.
There is no confusing the two on my part and he didn't bring me into it.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
The choice is ours.
Choice...LOL!
Adam and Eve did not choose to be created.
I or my wife did not choose to be born.
God choose to created Adam and Eve (Assuming if story is true.)
My parents (mother) choose to have the baby that they conceived together (me).
Likewise, my wife's parents (her mother) choose to have the baby they conceived together (her).
My wife and I choose to have NO children. Why? I suppose we could say out of LOVE for the non-existent child/life.
If the Bible is true, we are told that this world is in the power of the evil one, Satan, and that suffering is unavoidable in this world under his rule. We are told to pray for a ruler to come that will end Satan's rule and along with that, will end all suffering.
Well for my wife and I it is a no brainer; we didn't have a choice in our being brought into this world of suffering under Satan's rule, but we sure as hell had/have a choice NOT to bring a child into this suffering world. We chose not to subject any child/life to suffering.
If the Bible is not true, the above remains the same when it pertains to me and my wife. The world is still shit and full of suffering and by choice we chose not to subject any child/life to it.
Anybody who chooses to have children knowing that they are brought into a world where they WILL suffer... well I guess you could say they are no better or worse than God in that regard.
not really a scandal, but serena williams doing the crip walk on national tv wtf .
If one was rumored to be having an affair, elders or certain ones in the congregation took to peeping in windows to try and catch them
LOL.....that sounds a little far-fetch.
I can't even picture a group of elders peeping in someone's window to try to catch them doing wrong.
Not far fetch at all. In the earlier 90's I personally knew a guy who his parents, him, and his sister were JWs. He and his sister married two JWs. Then after about 10 years he did start seeing some women he worked with. He left his JW wife. His parents, his sister, her husband (his brother in-law) didn't have any contact with him after that. But then came the time when his ex-wife (still a JW) wanted to remarry but was told that she was not Scripturally free because her ex did not remarry and there was no proof/witnesses to him and the woman he worked with.
That being the case, his brother in-law who was an elder along with another elder went and hid in the bushes at his bedroom window to peek and get said proof that he was with the said woman. Then the dip-shit elder brother in-law said to him through the window, 'we got our proof', ______ your ex is free to remarry!
