Why are so few of you not expressing you personal dislike of the OnlyFans scene?
What is there to dislike about it?
i was going to write a new topic but now i just can't be bothered ... and i'll tell you why.. on my facebook feed a few days ago, i saw an interview of a couple of onlyfans girls, who said that they were active christians that attended church weekly.
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Why are so few of you not expressing you personal dislike of the OnlyFans scene?
What is there to dislike about it?
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
Because you write nonsense.
LOL! I didn't write anything there in asking that question. I cited two WTS excerpts and asked you which one you believe is correct.
So, the only nonsense that you are referring too, is what the WTS wrote.
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
Do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in 1914 as the 02WT says or in 1918 after the 1,260 days ended as the 51WT says??
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
scholar
How come you can reply to aqwsed writing a whole essay worth, but you can't reply to a simple question of:
Do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in 1914 as the 02WT says or in 1918 after the 1,260 days ended as the 51WT says???
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
Response 9. The doctrine or teaching of the Gentile Times is well established from the Bible and confirmed by modern history. It is based on a flawless chronology and in agreement with both ancient and modern history. it is bookended with the catastrophic events in the ancient world, namely the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE and the catastrophic Great War in 1914 CE The doctrine is simple to explain and understand and is based on the interpretation that Dan 4 had both dual fulfilment proved both in terms of linguistics, history,and theology.
This claim is that Neb's dream had a second fulfillment resulting in 2,520 years. And 607 marks the beginning of those years with the nation's trampling Jerusalem with the end of Zed as king. And 1914 ending that trampling period for Jerusalem by the nations, due to Jesus becoming king in that year. Because it is said that Jesus became king of God's kingdom in 1914 at the end of those 2,520 years (so-called gentile times), this is when/why WTS says Rev 11:15 was fulfilled with the 7th trumpet.
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.”]
The problem with the WTS teaching that the gentile times are a period of 2,520 that Jerusalem is trampled on by the nations, starting in Oct 607 and ending in Oct 1914, is that Rev 11:2 speaks of a 3 1/2-year period during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe, that Jerusalem is to be trampled on by the nations, which the WTS claims took place Oct 1914 to April 1918.
Because of claiming Rev 11:2 took place in 1914-1918 and knowing that that was part of the 2nd woe, and the 3rd woe/7th trumpet could not come until AFTER the trampling of 42 months ended in 1918, they moved the fulfilment date for Rev 11:15 for Jesus' time for becoming king and the kingdom beginning, they moved it to 1918 after the 3 1/2 years of trampling ended. (Also to note is that the period of 607 to 1914 is not the 2nd woe that takes place during the 6th trumpet. The 7th trumpet/3rd woe can only come after the 6th trumpet/2nd woe ends, which these 42 months are part of. Rev)
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
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WTS teaches:
start Oct 607>(2,520 years trampling by nations)>end Oct1914 = Rev 11:15 was fulfilled. 02WT
start Oct 1914>(3 1/2 years trampling by nations)>end April 1918 = Rev 11:15 was fulfilled. 51WT
Total of 2,523 years and 6 months of continuous trampling on by the nations. (607 to 1918)
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Scholar, based on that, do you believe Rev 11:15 was fulfilled in Oct 1914 after the 2,520 years of trampling ended or April 1918 after the 1,260 days of trampling ended???
If you go with Rev 11:15 occurring in 1914, then you will have to acknowledge that Rev 11:2, 42- months/2nd woe, could not have taken place Oct 1914 to April 1918, because the 42-months/2nd woe has to end first before the 3rd woe/7th trumpet can come. This is according to what the Scriptures state and what the 51WT correctly showed. This means that the 42 months have to occur prior to Oct 1914, occur during the time before the 2,520 years end.
IDK what sounds more ridiculous, to say that a time of 2,520 years given to the nations to trample Jerusalem and then when that time is said to end (Oct 1914) then an additional 3 and 1/2 years of the nation's trampling, starts right as one time was said to end, so not really ending being trampled on in 1914 but end being trampled in 1918 instead.
Or to say that during the time the nations are given to trample (2,520 years) that during those years (607-1914) that another trampling will occur for 3 and 1/2 years in 1911 to 1914, ending at the same time as the 2,520 years. I suppose a double trampling?
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You could just realize that your WTS is full of BS and that none of that makes sense. No 607/587/1914/1918/7 times, etc.
The correct understanding is the 'appointed times of the nations' (gentile times) are 42 months/the 2nd woe and are future when the 8th king is given authority. That is the time of the GT and Jesus comes AFTER that time and that is when Rev 11:15/3rd woe is fulfilled.
Still future:
Trumpets 1-5
Trumpet 6
Trumpet 7 (last trumpet)
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
Scholar always responds but will not respond to nonsense. Can you provide ONE line of evidence that disproves 607 BCE?
Scholar you are so foolish. What I want you to respond about the 42 months/6th trumpet and 7th trumpet/1914, is the whole basis the WTS tries to use the year 607. Talking about the 6th and 7th trumpet does disprove 607 and all that is calculated from that date.
[rs - Revelation 11:2, 3 clearly states that 42 months (3 1/2 years) in that prophecy are counted as 1,260 days. Seven years would be twice that, or 2,520 days. Applying the “day for a year” rule would result in 2,520 years. When did the counting of the “seven times” begin? After Zedekiah, the last king in the typical Kingdom of God, was removed from the throne in Jerusalem by the Babylonians. (Ezek. 21:25-27) Finally, by early October of 607 B.C.E. the last vestige of Jewish sovereignty was gone.]
CALCULATING THE “SEVEN TIMES”
“Seven times” = 7 X 360 = 2,520 years
A Biblical “time,” or year = 12 X 30 days = 360. (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14)
In the fulfillment of the “seven times” each day equals one year. (Ezek. 4:6; Num. 14:34)
Early October, 607 B.C.E., to December 31, 607 B.C.E.= 1/4 year
January 1, 606 B.C.E., to December 31, 1 B.C.E. = 606 years
January 1, 1 C.E., to December 31, 1913 = 1,913 years
January 1, 1914, to early October, 1914 = 3/4 year
Total: 2,520 years
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If you believe all that, fine, but the problem is they say the 2,520 years end in 1914, but in the 51WT they claim in 1918 is when the 7th trumpet was blown, after the 42 months. So, they are short by 4 years. Seems they have to start from 611 B.C.E. to make 2,524 years to arrive at 1918, therefore showing 607 to be the wrong year to start from.
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
If everyone here that says 587, agreed with you on 607, you still would have to use 611 to arrive at 1918, because 607 is 4 years short.
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If you stick with 607 to arrive at 1914 and say that that is when the 7th trumpet was blown as the 02WT claims, then you still have to deal with the 42 months, being that the 7th trumpet blows AFTER the 42 months as the 51WT says.
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” ]
So again, I ask you:
Did the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occur in Oct 1914 as the 02WT claims or in April 1918 as the 51WT claims?
Did the 1,260 days/2nd woe occur in April 1911-Oct 1914 for the 7th trumpet to blow in 1914 or Oct 1914-April 1918 for the 7th trumpet to blow in 1918?
(apologies for the typo in the title.
"teaching" should read "teachings".
i misread vanderhoven7's most recent post as being the above.
There is no argument from me about it. I just was curious to why you thought that.
The time you spent replying what you did, you could have just written how you would spell the other name.
And for the purpose of this topic, two things that I agree with JWs on is:
1. The Northerner/locusts in Joel are not JWs.
2. The UN has to be given power in the future by the nations before they will turn on BTG, etc.
(apologies for the typo in the title.
"teaching" should read "teachings".
i misread vanderhoven7's most recent post as being the above.
2. That the Tetragrammaton was better transliterated "Yahweh"
Why do you think יְהוָֹה is better as Yahweh?
How would you spell this name in English?
יְהוֹשָׁפָט
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
Get ready...You won't have your precious 607 BCE or 1914 anymore in just a short while.
They already don't have it, that's why Scholar won't/can't answer this:
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” ]
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
Did the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occur in Oct 1914 or in April 1918?
Did the 1,260 days/2nd woe occur in April 1911-Oct 1914 or Oct 1914-April 1918?
Or are the 42 months/2nd woe the future GT and the 3rd woe comes after those months when Jesus comes with God's kingdom, ending the kingdom of this world (Satan's)?
https://youtu.be/vpws6ncqpla?si=dqnf7-hupfr4pdta.
for decades, jehovah’s witnesses have been banging on about babylon the great—the so-called world empire of false religion—being on the brink of collapse.
any day now, they assured us, churches would empty out, priests would be left twiddling their thumbs, and humanity would collectively bin organised religion.
Yes, that 2022 WT was an example of them just claiming that they were just going to turn on BTG. Now in the Oct 2024 annually meeting, Jackson added that before they turn on BTG, first the UN/beast has to be given the power first from the 10 kings.
40:00 - 43:20
2024 Jehovah's Witnesses Annual Meeting: Everything You Need To Know - YouTube
What he did not say though is what is going to cause the nations to give their authority to the UN. Just like they made it seem that out of the blue the UN and nations were going to turn on BTG, now even though they updated the given of the power first, they now still make it seem like out of the blue they will just give their power over.
My thinking is the only thing that would cause the nations to give their power to the UN is WW3.
The UN already warns about the need for this now...
WW3 / [United Nations: Guterres warns ‘we are on the edge of an abyss’
The UN’s chief painted a grim picture of a divided and polarized world and urged solidarity among nations.…The world has never been more threatened or more divided, United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres told nations of the world on Tuesday as he kicked off the 76th General Assembly session, urging all 193 member states to “wake up” and realize that solidarity is the only way out of disaster.]
But they won't do it until after/during WW3 actually takes place. Then they will give their power over and that will be the time of the GT for 42 months.
it-1 p. 493 communication - "when the circumcision issue was resolved by the governing body in jerusalem......".
it-1 p. 881 galatians, letter to the - "by reason of a revelation, paul, with barnabas and titus, went to jerusalem regarding the circumcision issue; he learned nothing new from james, peter, and john, but they recognized that he had been empowered for an apostleship to the nations.
" (galatians 2:1-10).
The WTS needs 607 to get to 1914.
They need 1914 to claim a 42-month cleansing took place during 1914-1918.
They need 1914-1918 to claim that as a result of that period of cleansing they were in line to be appointed the F&DS in 1919.
607/587/586/539/537/70 years/2,520 years/7 times/1914/1918, means nothing to the WTS other than to use/twist those dates/years in order to perpetrate the LIE that they were appointed in 1919.
The fact is the 42 months they said took place during 1914-1918 did not take place then. They have not occurred yet, still future. That means there is no basis for claiming they were appointed in 1919. Therefore, debating about 70 year/607, etc...in meaningless. No matter the truth of when those years/events took place does not change that the WTS was not appointed in 1919.
The Scriptures show that the 42 months occur during the 6th trumpet/2nd woe. Then after the 2nd woe ends, the 7th trumpet/3rd woe comes.
Like everything with the WTS, they LIE and twist what they say.
They claim the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occurred in Oct 1914.
[w02 11/1 - In 1914 the prophetic words of Revelation 11:15 were fulfilled: The seventh angel blew his trumpet. And there were loud voices in heaven, saying: “The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever.” ]
Let's say that is true. Well then that would mean the 42 months (6th trumpet/2nd woe) would have to have occurred starting in April 1911 to Oct 1914.
But NOOO, the WTS claims the 42 months 2nd woe occurred Oct 1914-April 1918. Okay, let's say that is true. Well then that would mean the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occurred in April 1918 after the 42 months.
Believe it or not the WTS actually have said that. This is because they know the 3rd woe comes after the 2nd, and they claim the 42 months of that 2nd woe ended in 1918.
[w51 7/15 - At this eventful time the seventh angel blows his trumpet, that is, after the 1,260 days ended in 1918. Then it is that these wonders can come to pass. “And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven saying: ‘The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king for ever and ever.’]
So, which is it, did the 7th trumpet/3rd woe occur in Oct 1914 or in April 1918?
(607>>2,520 years>>>1914) - (607>>2,524 years>>>1918)
Did the 42 months/2nd woe occur in April 1911-Oct 1914 or Oct 1914-April 1918?
Or are the 42 months/2nd woe the future GT and the 3rd woe comes after those months when Jesus comes with God's kingdom, ending the kingdom of this world (Satan's)?