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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  Lol vidiot, I think it just may be

  Ratt maybe?
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  Fragrant, you weren't supposed to see those last pictures, ever. Where on earth did you find them?
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  same playbook, yup

  On the contrary, if I was a Mason I would flaunt it ...as all Masons do.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  watch out, @halcon, you'll expose yourself if you say too much

  yes watch out or I'll put a spell on you LoL

  But seriously, when I see that very Masonic symbol you just shared plastered in the office of one of the GB I'll reconsider hehe
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  their masonic/satanic goals are more along the lines of...

  (1) getting people to corrupt their own worship by following twisted doctrines

  (2) stumbling people into rejected God after seeing hypocrisy/lies in religion

  You may be confusing two different things. As others here have pointed out, JW may be a lot of things but satanists is hugely improbable.

  If you are a person of Christian faith, you will see how in ancient Egyptian and Greek religion there was zero place for God YHWH and certainly no place for anything remotely reflecting the concept of Christ. These religions had their own gods and til this day they want nothing to do with Christ.

  On the other side, the Christian, there is no place for Isis, Osiris, Ra , Zeus , or Hermes for example. Logic would tell you it would be easier to worship these entities than flat out satan, but JW doesn't.

  In fact, one could argue that JW are less polluted than Catholics or any other Christian religion that incorporates some blatantly pagan practices like easter egg hunting and gift giving at Christmas or trick or treating.

  But corrupting and stumbling people is not really the final aim of the snake. Survival is. satan is not an all powerful being that can give life onto himself. He needs help. And since he is a spiritual being, help is attempted to be given to him intentionally thru spiritual mechanisms.

  JW is pretty consistent about warning against practicing spiritism, sorcery, demonology, going so far as discouraging even just watching a movie like Harry Potter. Once I was told by an elder that even Frankenstein was demonic hehe.

  Jesus himself very logically pointed out that satan cannot stand against himself. The Masons as you pointed out are overt in their practices when you see them from the spiritual perspective. They don't hide anything at all.

  And personally, I suspect authentic Satanists wouldn’t want ‘em.

  No they don't.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  wt leaders = satanists/snakes

  Assuming they are, they do a terrible job of indoctrinating their members to worship satan.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  the lower dudes are into hand signals and rings and things

  the dudes higher up know more about how satan doesn't need physical objects

  On the contrary. The very prideful spirit of satan requires that he is 'seen'. Remember, God hid his original name and it couldn't have sat too well with him. The snake doesn't like being invisible.

  You underline this very point when you reference entire cities like Pennsylvania, NY and San Francisco. The monuments in these cities aren't just throwaway structures built by and to appease the lower degree dudes.

  'hiding in plain sight ' is a fun saying, but only to the people that don't comprehend the Masonic symbolism of these structures. You yourself can apparently 'see' satan everywhere.

  the first rule of masonry/satanism is you don't talk about masonry/satanism

  Another fun saying. But the fact is that everyone talks about it, Masons and non Masons. Why is it safe to speak out loud about something so anti-God? Because as you stated, Masonry is a deeply spiritual concept and most people discard the spiritual aspect of our reality.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  When in all actuality what really happened is more like this: "russell and his dad and a bunch of other satanists got together and said, 'how can we blaspheme Jehovah's name the most?" and they decided to weave in sun-worship, idolatry, pyramidology, csa, abuse, shunning and other demonic teachings while publicly claiming to represent God.

  This is difficult to believe. Remember that in the initial degrees of Masonry much is said and done in the name of God. In fact, the tabernacle and Temple in Jerusalem and their various elements is oft used in its symbolism and rituals.

  It is here that Christian men get excited over the prospect of becoming Masons and attaining entry into the highest degrees. Russell very likely was one of these men that got carried away with his desire to become a Mason and could very well have been accepted into high degrees. It's clear he never gave up his Freemason ideas. Also, you can't ignore the fact that he successfully established a new religion.

  But the simple fact that the JW religion essentially reinvented itself after his death, and deliberately did away with all Masonic symbolism leads me to believe that modern JW leadership is just not Masonic.

  JW consistently takes the side of God in the original 'battle of wits' between God and the Masons in the account of the Exodus. To attempt to hide favor on behalf of egypt and its gods in such a way so as to render it vastly improbable is simply not the Masonic way.
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  Coming soon: Governing Body Update #4

  by ukpimo in

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  the upcoming governing body update, set to be released on friday this week, will feature a bearded samuel herd.. jwtalk website revealed the leak, so this thread will be used to speculate the content of the update and discuss the actual contents after its release..

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  Halcon

  wt leaders are also masons

  it's a kind of "brotherhood" (read "competition" secret club)

  Interesting... it's not likely that the current GB members are Masons. Altho if there is proof....

  Russell very likely was. I say very likely because there's a small chance that he appropriated the symbolism of the Masons without understanding what he was doing.
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  Alteration of Revelation 3:14 in the 4th century to support the emerging Trinity doctrine

  by slimboyfat in

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  in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.

  this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.

  the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.

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  Halcon

  Am I against you? Am I really an enemy? Or am I just an academic writing from an academic point of view? Evil or academic?

  Hi Kaleb. Well, from my perspective as a person of faith....

  No you are not an enemy. No one here is. Even the atheist nonbelievers are simply offering their perspective. I do enjoy greatly your academic contributions. It's always great to see the different angles.

  The Trinity is a Christian "mystery," in other words a revealed truth, based upon the Apostolic Fathers' understanding and experience of Jesus and life in what they called the "Spirit." The dogma would become a formal creed years before a canonical library was created by and for the Church

  This particular point is key to me personally. It's a point I understood some time ago, and it certainly renders the 'debate' rather unnecessary. The acceptance that this concept of the Trinity is a 'mystery' places it in the same group as all other impossible to determine concepts.

  One of the things that drove my parents away from the Catholic Church was the common statement that "that is only for God to know". This wasn't sufficient for them. It's ironic that I now agree with that statement. Is God part of a Trinity? Is he not? Does it matter? Does it diminish my faith to not know definitively?

  No.

  Either way I'm still only human, and God is still a superior spiritual being.