Posts by Halcon

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Tonus -Thus, the word "good" is meaningless in this context. God could decide to send all heavenly souls to hell for a period of a million years, just because he felt like it. And it would be good. There would literally be nothing wrong or bad about that action.

When Job said "good" here, he was contrasting it with the "bad" he was experiencing. Meaning that as human beings we can still define something as good or bad, apart from how God defines it. This is possible because we are not the same person as God (aka two different perspectives).

If there is one thing we should want to know clearly and unambiguously, it's what heaven and the afterlife are.

"We should know" implies we deserve to know. And when this expectation is not met we become frustrated. The scriptures repeatedly show God declining special requests. And the reaction of those who were declined is varied.

I believe that the Bible places a much greater emphasis on what our minds and hearts should comprehend in the present than indeed the very ambiguous (literally and physically) afterlife will be like.

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Joey- life on this planet is the same. Everything around us wants to take our energy for itself, just like we do with animals and plants that sustain us. Eventually we give up the energy we have and it changes state and becomes something else.

Right, not all is as it seems.

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

@jefrro

hehehe... indeed... here's another fun Bible verse I cherry picked for you, Proverbs 27:15

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Tonus-Based on these descriptions and explanations, there is no reason to expect that the afterlife will be pleasant for anyone. We cannot earn heaven.

What is heaven? What is the afterlife? We don't know what these things are...much less begin to assess them as good or bad from a human standpoint. It's true that man tries to understand these things, but they are interpretations at best.

You have no reason to believe that he will treat you in a way that you would define as good, or kind, or merciful. These terms are meaningless when applied to him.

There are plenty of reasons to believe it. Job himself said "will we accept only the good from God?" If it happened as the Bible describes it, since we're going by the Bible, then there's at least a 50/50 chance for "good" in the future.

But even if you were right, that there was zero reason to believe otherwise, what could we do about it? Absolutely nothing.

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Vice President Kamala Harris…your thoughts??

by minimus in

jw
friends

good pick?

bad pick?

helpful to president biden?

Halcon

Anony Mous -remember when the polls had Trump at a 10% chance to win over Hillary. Right now Kamala has it good because she hasn’t been asked a question by the media in 4 weeks.

This refusal to speak to the media this long, even left propaganda media, is so blatantly demonstrative of how dumb the Left believes American people are. Both parties are guilty of gaslighting to various degrees for sure. But this fiasco by Kamala and her team is so laughable.

The silver lining is that there is indeed a very strong possibility that her team has assessed that she herself is in fact too dumb and cringe to be placed before the media, so risky it has the real potential to derail it completely. She hasn't been kept in the basement by Biden's team all this time for nothing after all.

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

jeffro -How very predictable. But in addition to failing your Christian obligation at 1 Peter 3:15, you’ve also demonstrated that the Bible is used by ‘believers’ as a tedious ‘choose-your-own-adventure’ of contradictory cherry picking. Well done.

... imagine me accepting I've 'failed' because jeffro said so ...

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Tonus- Getting rewarded afterwards still doesn't negate his realization that his life could be upended at any moment, no matter how devoted he was to serving god. This is the nature of Jehovah, a being whose nature is unchanging. This is god, forever.

It would seem that it isn't about our own 'complete' satisfaction in our personal life then. You may not feel the same as Job did at the end of this passage, which was "repentant" and "full of years". Repentant because he, the creation, questioned the Creator. The book itself acknowledges that God is ultimately behind job's affliction.

The book confirms that we have as much, or as little, depending on what God sees fit. This message is clear throughout the entire Bible.

Man expects much because he considers himself deserving. But neither of these things are clearly (by biblical accounts and our very own personal experiences) up to us to decide.

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Jeffro -This is the kind of nonsense you can expect from ‘believers’ when they can’t comply with 1 Peter 3:15

Tsk tsk jeffro... how about this one... Matthew 7:6...

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Jeffro -It’s pretty sad when someone’s best ‘defence’ for the ‘problem of evil’ is explicitly an appeal to ignorance.

Hehe..cheer up buddy, turn that frown upside down : )

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God won't lift a finger to help you.

by nicolaou in

sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

pathetic diversion.

Halcon

Tonus - However... until we get to one of those difficult issues, we seem to have no problem at all comprehending god. We have a clear basis for judging his character and actions as long as they fit into an acceptable moral framework. When his actions fall into a gray area, we decide that he is inscrutable.

I think this is correct. I think we can relate to God up to a certain point...and then it becomes, try as we might, impossible. This happens both spiritually (ie. why doesn't God intervene on behalf of someone suffering?) and physically (how does anything exist?)

His quick temper and willingness to solve problems by killing should make the believer very nervous.

This is also very true. If God exists and we perceive how he can wield the power of life and death at will then we will proceed very carefully.