His supposed options: Worship me (an evil entity), or don't and I'll destroy you.
As you said, you've chosen yours.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
We do have the thorny issue of god allowing a condition to exist that is in direct opposition to what he claims to want. Thus, we must assume he is confused or lying. Neither of these is a bad thing, since we cannot judge him on human terms. They simply are.
Unless the scriptures tell you he is confused or lying, then yes that is just as you stated, our own personal human assumption.
"They simply are" is correct. This is how it is. We'd like to modify the rules of God for all the reasons man is always repeating, but we can't. We will either move towards God or move away from him. He's told us he wants us to move towards him and more importantly, makes it possible.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Duran - So, you are saying that there are NO people alive right now that have choosing him that are suffering right now in their life's, is that right?
No. Tonus and I are discussing everlasting suffering and everlasting reward.
If that is the case, then does that mean that the spirit/god that is behind the writing of the Hebrew Scriptures is not the same as the one behind the Greek Scriptures?
So far, I've found no reason to believe that.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Tonus -I don't see what difference this makes.
Well this was what we began discussing here, why must there be any suffering and punishment? We've established that God is both capable of giving eternal punishment and eternal reward, and that the choice is ours. So will we choose heaven instead of suffering? God promises us no suffering or punishment when we choose him.
We may not like our choices, but we've already also established that he is superior to man, he dictates the rules.
Now thankfully, it appears that God also has given us our entire human lifetime to decide.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Duran- I don't care if he spoke to you with sound/voice or not. As you point out we here speak/communicate by our writing of words. My question is, has YHVH or Jesus ever communicated with you personally/directly?
My apologies, I believed you were asking if God had literally called my phone to talk to me. You are asking if he has spoken to me on a spiritual level then, meaning has he spoken to my heart?
Absolutely he has, his word is living. For example every time I read a gospel he speaks to my heart. So much so that it moves me to take action.
I am just asking for the sake of showing that if it can't be proving that the god you believe in does exist, and you can't disprove that the gods that you don't believe in, that they don't exist, then how do you know that it is your god that exist, but not the other gods?
This is a very logical question. The answer is, of course all the other gods exist. Don't forget, the scriptures state God created countless spirits before he ever got to man. And you may recall that many decided they wanted nothing to do with their Creator. The spirit 'world' does not consist of just one spirit.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
Can anyone that believes in YHVH prove that he exists? Has he ever spoken to you?
You ask this with the belief that communication is only achieved thru speech. But you know already that this isn't true in the physical world. In fact all of us here are communicating perfectly well without speech. Without making a single sound.
"The word of God is living" for a reason.
If you can accept that there is an aspect of reality that cannot be seen, heard, touched or even proven..which are our thoughts and emotions, which are the most real parts of ourselves, then it's not a stretch to believe in the existence of God.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.
we get old because jehovah had to prove to all the angels that his way of ruling was the best?
that's the sorriest argument the watchtower has come up with.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/11hz_jqjkjo.