Posts by Halcon

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

If God is the beginning of all then this God had nothing to do, feel or think. He didn't even take up 'space', as he hadn't made 'space' yet. Such a hypothetic case illustrates the illogic of such a being.

You are confusing your very limited human capacity with God's. Yet we are here, unless you believe we are just as illusory as the very first cause that got us here. An effect with no cause is illogical.

Further, why is solely intention before the manifestation or expression of anything illogical?

No wonder the Gnostics worshipped an 'unknown God'; a worthy God they imagined into existence.

The gnostics recognized and accepted their desire to worship, just not God as he is. That would have been beneath them.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

One of the fundamental attributes of fathers is that they are older than their sons, and scripture talks about Wisdom being begotten long ago as the first of God’s acts of creation (Prov 8.22), that the Word was “in the beginning” (John 1.1), that Jesus lives “because of the Father” (John 5.67), is “the firstborn of all creation” (Col 1.15), and is “the beginning of the creation of God” (Rev 3.14.)

Another powerful verse is 1st Corinthians 11:3 - "But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God".

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

but experts in that field can admit that they don't know yet. So no evidence of a first cause.

Suddenly, at the absolute beginning of it all...there's no evidence of a cause for everything that came after.

I figured this is where we would differ.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Duran-Explain how God came into existence. When you're done, then answer if that is what you claim about God existing, then maybe there is no God at all, but is the said explanation of how all things that do exist came to be?

If I say God has always existed with no beginning, I am to also say that all things have always existed with no beginning as well (if I understand your question correctly)?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Astrophysicist can provide a explanation for the inflation event.

As I said, you and I and all of these extremely knowledgeable scientists would agree on each effect's cause until we got to first cause.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Liam- Why would he put a tree in the middle of the Garden to Test their loyalty?

Because He wanted to.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

A inflation event some 13:9 billion years ago.

And what was responsible for that event?

Likely we would agree agree on every effect's cause, until we got to first cause.

Apply the same explanation to how God is said to exist.

Scriptures state God is the alpha and the omega.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Touchofgrey -Love was not the fundamental thing that caused our solar system to come into existence, but rather the collapse of a star....

And what was responsible for the star?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

Before anything was manifest and no 'other' to manifest to, did God's very existence have evidence?

In other words, can God exist only in His own mind? Yes he can.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Halcon

I came to believe that He being complete in himself and happy wanted others to be as well. Why that purpose was disrupted by confict and pain, I don't know, and can accept that perhaps we never will.

Because love, by definition, cannot be forced. The choice to reciprocate God's love is embedded.