sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
jeffro -How very predictable. But in addition to failing your Christian obligation at 1 Peter 3:15, you’ve also demonstrated that the Bible is used by ‘believers’ as a tedious ‘choose-your-own-adventure’ of contradictory cherry picking. Well done.
... imagine me accepting I've 'failed' because jeffro said so ...
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Tonus- Getting rewarded afterwards still doesn't negate his realization that his life could be upended at any moment, no matter how devoted he was to serving god. This is the nature of Jehovah, a being whose nature is unchanging. This is god, forever.
It would seem that it isn't about our own 'complete' satisfaction in our personal life then. You may not feel the same as Job did at the end of this passage, which was "repentant" and "full of years". Repentant because he, the creation, questioned the Creator. The book itself acknowledges that God is ultimately behind job's affliction.
The book confirms that we have as much, or as little, depending on what God sees fit. This message is clear throughout the entire Bible.
Man expects much because he considers himself deserving. But neither of these things are clearly (by biblical accounts and our very own personal experiences) up to us to decide.
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Jeffro -This is the kind of nonsense you can expect from ‘believers’ when they can’t comply with 1 Peter 3:15
Tsk tsk jeffro... how about this one... Matthew 7:6...
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Jeffro -It’s pretty sad when someone’s best ‘defence’ for the ‘problem of evil’ is explicitly an appeal to ignorance.
Hehe..cheer up buddy, turn that frown upside down : )
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Tonus - However... until we get to one of those difficult issues, we seem to have no problem at all comprehending god. We have a clear basis for judging his character and actions as long as they fit into an acceptable moral framework. When his actions fall into a gray area, we decide that he is inscrutable.
I think this is correct. I think we can relate to God up to a certain point...and then it becomes, try as we might, impossible. This happens both spiritually (ie. why doesn't God intervene on behalf of someone suffering?) and physically (how does anything exist?)
His quick temper and willingness to solve problems by killing should make the believer very nervous.
This is also very true. If God exists and we perceive how he can wield the power of life and death at will then we will proceed very carefully.
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Ridley made sure he made this possibility of a Creator not being immortal, evident in Prometheus. He wanted to make sure the audience grasped the idea that a Creation might outshine and outlive the Creator.
This is an interesting take on the scene.
What I interpreted from the scene was mankind's pride being cut down. The last scene in Prometheus when the awakened engineer cannot fathom why Weiland would ask such questions of origin (before killing him) underlines this.
David in the scene above essentially humiliates Weiland for believing he had achieved something special, godlike, in manufacturing him (David). So man is reminded from both sides, Creator and creation, that he is very very small and insignificant relative to what exists before and after him.
republicans want to make a law that forbids ‘uncontested divorce”.
they based this on this scripture.. matthew 19. is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”.
4 “haven’t you read,” jesus replied, “that at the beginning the creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’ so they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Jesus and Paul both stated that it was BEST if you didn't get married at all.
But if you must (whatever crazy reason for it you may concoct) then everything else the NT recommends would apply.
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Liam
Of course, Prometheus...one of my all time faves. I think it's a great proposition on who our Creator may have been/is. But even in this wonderful film there was the stated possibility that the engineers had their own Creator. It always goes back to the being at the very start. But I agree it's a wonderful film and 'theory' and it does a decent job, as you stated, in attempting to explain some things.
I never said God doesn’t exist. What I said was;
Is there an All Knowing Benevolent, Omnipotent God? I'd argue that nature of life on Earth and the course of human history makes it impossible to accept, that a "perfect, benevolent, omnipotent, omniscient God, who is ruler of the universe. and originator of all life"……...Actually Exists.
Here, as nicolaou does, we are going by our own comprehension of what these things are or aren't. We assume these concepts (perfection, omnipotence, omniscience) are concepts we ACTUALLY understand when we are simply flesh and blood that eventually dies. Even the concept of benevolence and love are subjective. For example, in this world (despite all the 'bad' you listed), there is also plenty of 'good' that man has not interfered with or created himself.
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Why doesn't he lift a finger to protect rape victims and abused children? Even I with my "limited comprehension of reality as a human being" can see that that isn't right.
It isn't right because we assume we know what and why God is thinking and doing or not doing. When we assume this, we proceed to demand an explanation.
As a believer myself, I am faced with a greater dilemma than you (a non believer) in trying to reconcile this problem. And the closest I can come to it is the fact that I simply don't comprehend enough. I may never understand enough. But I accept this. I accept that God is a superior being to me and knows or comprehends the issue to a much greater extent than I.
This of course isn't anything new, it's what the scriptures repeatedly state. That we are not the same as God.
sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.
if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.
pathetic diversion.
Liam -Not me, I couldn’t do that. I can’t see one child starving to death and do nothing, or a mother dying of cancer and not step in to try to help. Yet millions upon millions of children have starved to death and millions of mothers have died of cancer leaving the father and children to fend for themselves.
9. Yet we believe a Perfect, benevolent, All Powerful, All Knowing God that loves us..Exists. It makes no sense.
The fact that God doesn't align with what you believe God should be does not mean he doesn't exist.
If God is truly all knowing, it automatically sets him apart from our own very limited comprehension of reality as human beings.
