Halcon

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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Across societies and nations, people can agree on how it feels to be happy or sad.

  Across societies and nations, people can agree on how it feels to have God in their hearts.

  Why is my statement above any less true than yours?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  You where the one arguing that your feelings and inner thoughts met the standard for objective truth/reality. As I said that is the domain of theoretical pure religion.

  Interesting how you categorize thoughts and emotions the same as theoretical pure religion. This is what I was referring to when I responded to tonus, you either legitimize all metaphysical phenomena or are forced to discard it all.
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  Do you wish us to equate your belief in God/s to be equated with fantasy?

  Perhaps you would attempt to do this the same way you would equate jealousy and envy to fantasy. If not, why?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  I'm not sure if legitimizing is the right word. If the human brain is the source of all of our gods and related beings and worlds, that wouldn't necessarily make them real.

  Then the brain, a very physical thing with all its chemical reactions, cannot be the ultimate determiner of which metaphysical phenomena is real or not.

  The question would be, are there any that are real? How would we confirm that, if we have defined them in such a way to make it impossible to do so?

  Good questions, if the brain can't, who or what makes the ultimate decision on wether something like desire, longing, melancholy is actually real?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

  .

  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  Is there any way to demonstrate metaphysical phenomena that are not the product of the physical world? After all, if the one property of the metaphysical that we can define is that it is the product of the physical world, then that would necessarily apply to all metaphysical phenomena until shown otherwise.

  This is a good question. Because now we are legitimizing all metaphysical phenomena since it comes from the physical brain. Or not.

  But if not, why? Shouldn't the brain be sufficient to legitimize all thoughts and emotions?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  However, they are closely related to physical in the sense that a physical event may cause feelings of fear, anxiety, arousal etc. The 'feelings' we experience are caused by neuro-chemical reactions.

  The feelings of empathy, kindness and consideration are simply byproducts of a chemical reaction?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

  .

  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  But love can also be an illusion if not positively evidenced.

  If not positively evidenced? How would this be done?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  All thoughts and feelings, no matter how ludicrous or misplaced, originate in the physical machinery of the mind.

  But are they physical? Tonus seems to consider them so. This despite love and hope having no physical shape, color or form.

  And can't love or fear be intensely real with zero evidence of showing it?
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  Halcon, all of those originate in the brain, a physical object. I consider them physical phenomena.

  Interesting...so the simple thought of something makes that which we are thinking of physical?...
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  408

  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Halcon

  The metaphysical does not have the same legitimacy as the physical. The latter is undeniable. The former is as yet only a concept. Without actual evidence, that will not change.

  Do love, fear and hate...hope and dread ...fall under the category of 'physical' or 'metaphysical'?