What I think is probably most offensive is the assertion that the word "mediator" is not used in the broad sense at 1 Ti 2:5.
The "broad sense" is certainly the most natural reading of the text, heis kai mesites theo kai anthropon
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by Momofmany inlast night my mom and i were talking.
she asked me to give her one reason other than the un and 607 why i can't go back to the kh.
i told her, jesus is my mediator.
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C.T. Russell and the fiery trial of the church in 1910......
by kid-A inin thy kingdom come, c.t.
russell derives 4 dates that he believes correspond to biblical prophecy based upon several pyramid measurements.
he derived the 1914 (1915) dates from measurements of the entrance passage from one of the tombs to the entrance of the funerary pit, thus on page 342 he states:
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I've never been able to past from Word here..... I always have to paste the material into the more primitive Wordpad or Notepad programs first and then paste it here.
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TD...Interesting, cause I was just at the NYPL in June and inquired about making microfilm copies of old newspapers and what not...and they handed me a price list and instructions, so .... is it just with the Golden Age, or they weren't making microfilm reproductions at all? I should dig up what they gave me and double check.
Curiouser and curiouser...I had inquired about getting all the Golden Age / Consolations. The individual that answered the email said, (This is from memory) "We have discussed your request and decided against offering this service now and in the future." This person signed his email, "Tim Savage."
I took that to mean that they were no longer offering the service at all, but maybe the refusal was more specific. (?)
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MICROFILM???
Yes, it used to be (10+ years ago) that you could contact the New York Public Library, explain what you wanted on microfilm and they would tell you how much it would cost. This was practically the only way you could get hold of Golden Ages, short of inheriting a library or paying collector's prices for originals.
The last time I contacted them, (about 5 years ago) I got back a snippy reply informing me that they didn't do this anymore.
I don't have all the Golden Age/Consolations by any stretch. (It was way too expensive and my interest at the time was blood/vaccination)
I'm pretty sure that Research Applications International will come out with a Golden Age CD before too long.
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Look at page 530 of the 1930 Golden Age. They didn't change over page numbers in each issue. I'm not sure which issue that would be. The Golden Ages are hard to find. Maybe someone on JWD can scan the page.
I have it on microfilm. Maybe next time I'm at the library, I can use their viewer to print the page.
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please specify ??????? and does anyone have a copy of this article,
Most publications point to 1943 and "the truth shall set you free" book as the first mention of Christ's presence beginning in 1914.
The date was changed in the early 1930's Tentative statements first appeared in The Golden Age and a stronger statement appeared in one other 1930's booklet. (I don't have it here at work but I can find it when I get home.)
The Watch Tower did not follow suit until 1933. I documented that transition here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/98503/1.ashx
The Proclaimers book for some enigmatic reason claims the transition took place in 1943, but this is the only Witness publication I know of that makes that claim.
What actually happened in 1943-1944 was that 1874 was discarded as the start of the 7th millennium and the date for this event was moved forward in two stages (rather dishonestly) to 1975. However at this point, 1914 had been the official date for the Parousia for a decade
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Mormons/LDS
by Evanescence inwhat would your views be on mormons?.
was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.
just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence
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There's lot's of both (JW's & LDS) in my area. I've worked with both. (at once) When it comes to doctrine, they fight likes cats and dogs, but under the skin, they're much more alike than they realize. Pardon the expression, but they're both little piglets suckling from the same sow.
Things they have in common:
1. An aging and all too fallible leadership that claims a special relationship with God and on that basis, considers itself above reproach.
2. An idealized view of their church history that is soundly contradicted by their own period literature.
3. A view of ancient history that is soundly contradicted by archeology.
4. A belief that they are the modern-day restoraton of "true worship"
5. A belief that they are somehow "better" than members outside their faith.
6. A persistent belief that global cataclysm is only a few years away at most.
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Can defd or another JW tell me why the watchtower society was formed?
by jaffacake inthis is serious part of my research.
the watchtower articles from the 1970s help, but there are gaps in my understanding.
russell was the founder of the watchtower society, and presumably part of the faithful & discreet slave?
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Why would Russell want to start a new group of Bible students and a new magazine, when there were plenty already in existence. One reason seems to be his split with the adventists.
Russell split with N.H. Barbour during the first half of 1879 over the mechanics of the Ransom. This was at least the primary reason for the publication of a periodical of his own. (Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, the first issue of which appeared in July)
He explained this in the June supplement to the 1879 Herald of the Morning. For all intents and purposes, he also accused N.H. Barbour of carelessness in the handling of his (Russell's) money.
However he remained on friendly terms with a number of prominent Adventist figures. These included Jonas Wendell, George Storrs and George W Stetson and others. He seemed to regard them all as his Christian brothers. Some who arguably were Adventists were actually contributers to Zion's Watch Tower.
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Did Noahs Ark drift about aimlessly in the Great Flood?
by EliJah inno where does it mention that noah traveled around the world in his big boat.
in fact, is says that the ark was floating "high above the earth".
also, what does matthew mean about "just like in the days of noah?
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If that is the case, the water would also freeze, and with the temperatures for snap-freezing the animlas, it is also unlikely that the Ark would provide sufficient insulation to keep the occupants from freezing to death.
Yes, it's really a big exercise in double-think. Water doesn't absorb heat when it condenses, it releases heat. If it's boiling point were not so high, water would actually make a good refrigerant.
Another example is the genetic bottle-neck the flood story would have created if it were true. JW's attempt to get around the fact that all the animal species known today would not have fit aboard the ark by suggesting that Noah simply took representatives of major "kinds." However the genetic bottle-neck would have brought the speciation rate after the flood to a standstill. --Just the opposite of what would be needed make the explanation plausible.
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Yes, from 1914 to 1919 Jesus was conducting an inspection of all religions. --Only the Bible Students didn't know he was conducting this inspection because they thought he had returned 40 years ago, in 1874. They didn't realize Christ had returned in 1914 until about 1933.
Jesus found that the Bible Students were the only ones teaching "the truth" so he rewarded them as the faithful portion of the composite slave by appointing them over all his belongings. --Only the Bible Students didn't know this because they thought that the office of faithful and discreet slave had already been fulfilled by C.T. Russell and that he was now directing the work from beyond the grave. They didn't realize that the "faithful slave" was actually a composite group until 1927 or so.
So now that they were appointed over all the master's belongings, (without knowing it) this faithful slave could begin preaching the "good news of the established kingdom." --Only the Bible Students didn't know that the kingdom had been established in heaven in 1914 until 1925. Prior to that, the idea that the kingdom even needed to be "established" was an alien concept.
Anyhow, with the establishment of the kingdom in heaven, Christ had received kingly power, having been installed as king of the kingdom. --Only the Bible Students didn't know that this had happened in 1914, they thought Christ began to exercise kingly power in 1878. This also didn't change until 1925.
So the king that they didn't know was crowned began to set up the kingdom that they didn't know was established by resurrecting the sleeping saints. --Only the Bible Students didn't know this took place in 1919. They thought it had happened in 1878. This wasn't moved forward to 1919 until 1922 or so.
Clear as mud? All of this gets so tangled and convoluted that even Watchtower writers lose track of things. I remember one particularly humorous Watchtower that claimed that the crowning of Earth's new king had made the nations wrathful and that this was why WWI had started. --Looks like those wicked nations were really on the ball. They knew about it years and years before the so-called "faithful and discreet slave."