Posts by TD
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Seems to be a census on vaccine status
by Indoubtbigtime inthe upcoming km school for all elders and servants is going to be in person only with no provision for video conferencing.. only fully vaccinated may attend.
meaning if you missed your last booster you are no longer fully vaccinated.. every coordinator of body of elders has to ask every single ms and elder if they have kept up with all their boosters and are fully vaccinated or they can’t attend.. this seems to be a census the gb want to know how many are keeping up with booster shots.
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Indoubtbigtime
cv19 has never been purified and isolated and an image taken of it
You're not citing a source, but this sounds a lot like David Crowe's nonsense.
The claim that SARS-CoV-2 has not been "purified and isolated" is a misapplication of Koch's Postulates.
Robert Koch was a 19th century German doctor and scientist who proved that Anthrax, Cholera and Tuberculosis were each caused by a specific bacteria. The four rules he followed are known today Koch's Postulates.
(The original paper can be found here)
https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/5139
Although Koch was a brilliant man, he lived and died more than a century ago and a lot has changed since then. (Like the discovery of viruses as the cause of many diseases....)
Here is a more pointed refutation of Crowe's nonsense:
Here is another:
The idea that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been photographed is more nonsense. I do agree that pictures which are colorized and enhanced for the general public look artificial, but there are plenty of unvarnished photographs:
Here's a good example:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73162-5
Here's one of the images from the article:
The late David Crowe's contention was not simply that Covid19 is a hoax, but that the entire field of virology is fraudulent.
Is that the position you're taking here? That viruses don't actually exist at all?
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How to reason with friends
by peacefulpete inwe have long time friends who are seriously involved with the urantia book.
they have regular meetings with others and seem to have become convinced of its alien inspiration.
it seems mostly harmless but weirds out anyone who talks to them.. do any of you have experience with this or have suggestions about how to debunk the book?.
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Hardly an expert, but my experience is that people join and leave movements for emotional (As opposed to rational) reasons.
Rational criticism is helpful to people who have recently left, but does little to dissuade a true believer.
The best way to reason with friends is not to reason at all. (At least not in the sense I would use the word)
People leave when they either become disillusioned, or find something else that fills the same emotional need.
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Seems to be a census on vaccine status
by Indoubtbigtime inthe upcoming km school for all elders and servants is going to be in person only with no provision for video conferencing.. only fully vaccinated may attend.
meaning if you missed your last booster you are no longer fully vaccinated.. every coordinator of body of elders has to ask every single ms and elder if they have kept up with all their boosters and are fully vaccinated or they can’t attend.. this seems to be a census the gb want to know how many are keeping up with booster shots.
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Okay
The virus responsible for Covid-19 was identified as a subspecies of Sarbecovirus, and designated as SARS-CoV-2 in late 2019
Reagent isolation and WGS characterization in the first American patient happened in January of 2020:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239045/pdf/nihpp-2020.03.02.972935.pdf
Isolation in the first Australian patient happened at or around February:https://www.mja.com.au/system/files/issues/212_10/mja250569.pdf
Epidemiology of first European cases:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7068164/
Canada:
South Korea:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7045880/pdf/ophrp-11-3.pdf
Brazil:
https://www.scielo.br/j/mioc/a/3hzYZ4W4m4bHGTNX8fJS65p/?format=pdf&lang=en
Egypt:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.04.368431v3.full.pdf
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Genetic sequence, Morphology, Origin, Evolution and Diagnosis are described in a little more detail here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7180649/pdf/10096_2020_Article_3899.pdf
And here:
https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-virology-110615-042301
And here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S156713481830128X
And here:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0247524
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The possibility of targeting the spike protein in a vaccine was discussed from about mid 2020 onward:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7151553/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.576622/full
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41401-020-0485-4
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X04021588?via%3Dihub
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0065352719300284
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abe1502
None of this discussion would have been possible if the virus had not been isolated. Frankly I'm bewildered at how some people (Not necessarily you) can criticize mRNA vaccines while simultaneously claiming the virus has not been isolated. The former is just not possible without the latter.
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You appear to be repeating claims from Facebook and other social media platforms.
Although I've worked in a med lab, I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "purified" vis-à-vis the virus itself. Are you perhaps referring to sample purity? Or maybe to Phenol-chloroform-RNA purification (Or something similar) as a testing method?
At any rate, the claim that the virus has never been identified can still be found on podcasts, Youtube, BitChute and other mediums that don't have to pass any scientific standard or scrutiny.
It appears to originate with a gentleman named David Crowe, a telecommunications consultant, environmentalist, and critic of science and medicine.
His claim has been repeatedly refuted:
https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/
And here:
And here:
And here:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9847920299
And here:
https://fullfact.org/online/coronavirus-misinformation-lies-vaccine-deaths/
And here:
https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-graphics-unicef/
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If you have a peer reviewed article or study, (Or some other source where the authors are legally responsible for any misinformation they publish) I would be interested in reading it.
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Have you ever been on a congregation picnic?
by LostintheFog1999 inwere you ever on a congregation picnic?
i was on several occasions.. the arrangements were often announced from the platform after the closing song and prayer by the last elder up on the platform.. sometimes it was included in the service meeting announcements as "on saturday we're meeting at 10.00am at the kingdom hall for field service, and after field service for anyone who wishes, especially for the younger ones, we will be having a congregation picnic meeting at the beach carpark on seaview road.".
well, according to the new elders manual you won't be hearing those words again.
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Have the JW's cracked down on social gatherings more than once? My recollections are from the 60's..
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Seems to be a census on vaccine status
by Indoubtbigtime inthe upcoming km school for all elders and servants is going to be in person only with no provision for video conferencing.. only fully vaccinated may attend.
meaning if you missed your last booster you are no longer fully vaccinated.. every coordinator of body of elders has to ask every single ms and elder if they have kept up with all their boosters and are fully vaccinated or they can’t attend.. this seems to be a census the gb want to know how many are keeping up with booster shots.
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But covid19 has never been purified and isolated
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Do you know how many papers have been published on the isolation and resultant WGS data?
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How to reason with friends
by peacefulpete inwe have long time friends who are seriously involved with the urantia book.
they have regular meetings with others and seem to have become convinced of its alien inspiration.
it seems mostly harmless but weirds out anyone who talks to them.. do any of you have experience with this or have suggestions about how to debunk the book?.
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Have you read the late Martin Gardner's rebuttal/debunking of The Urantia Papers?
--Not sure if it would do any good with true believers
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Have you ever been on a congregation picnic?
by LostintheFog1999 inwere you ever on a congregation picnic?
i was on several occasions.. the arrangements were often announced from the platform after the closing song and prayer by the last elder up on the platform.. sometimes it was included in the service meeting announcements as "on saturday we're meeting at 10.00am at the kingdom hall for field service, and after field service for anyone who wishes, especially for the younger ones, we will be having a congregation picnic meeting at the beach carpark on seaview road.".
well, according to the new elders manual you won't be hearing those words again.
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When I was much, much younger there was a picnic and usually a softball game every Sunday evening after the meeting.
Very different era
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Viruses Killed The Woolly Mammoths.
by LostintheFog1999 ini can remember the original turquoise coloured evolution book produced by the organisation and the numerous public talks around it.
mind-blowing to a gullible youngster growing up in a jw family.. the flood of noah's day when thousands of tons of suspended water fell from the atmosphere and on hitting the cold poles instantly plunged the woolly mammoths into a deep freeze, to the extent that the last mouthful of grass was still there in the mouth in mid-chomp.
you can quickly see why a kid with a fertile imagination was transfixed by those apparently up-to-date scientific discoveries as presented by the wt org!.
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The "frozen animals" studied by Вектор include the woolly mammoth, woolly rhino and several others.
The inference seems to be that the presence of the virus means the animal in question died from it.
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Viruses Killed The Woolly Mammoths.
by LostintheFog1999 ini can remember the original turquoise coloured evolution book produced by the organisation and the numerous public talks around it.
mind-blowing to a gullible youngster growing up in a jw family.. the flood of noah's day when thousands of tons of suspended water fell from the atmosphere and on hitting the cold poles instantly plunged the woolly mammoths into a deep freeze, to the extent that the last mouthful of grass was still there in the mouth in mid-chomp.
you can quickly see why a kid with a fertile imagination was transfixed by those apparently up-to-date scientific discoveries as presented by the wt org!.
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TD
The last paper I read blamed extinction on a scarcity of vegetation during the glacial-interglacial transition.