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  DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)

  by Terry in

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  (event 201).

  “event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .

  what was the event?.

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  What I am doing is trying to see if other people are saying SOMETHING.

  Okay.

  I'll put in my two cents then

  Here is a 2003 article, identifying SARS as a corona variant:

  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12781537/

  Here is a 2004 paper documenting the emergence of the SARS variant(s) and estimating the (high) mutation rate:
  

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC516801/

  The 2003 SARS outbreak peaked within 6 weeks, but the handwriting was on the wall at this point:

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92444/

  Here is a 2004 CDC alert prohibiting the importation of known (at the time) animal vectors of SARS (Civets, Genets, etc.)

  https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-united-states/civets.html

  Here is a recent discussion of SARS, MERS, Covid19 and the amount of advance warning we actually had:

  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9289047/
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  STOP criticizing the self-appointed Governing Body......

  by BoogerMan in

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  .....you imperfect shower!!!.

  w74 2/1 p. 96 questions from readers - “in the case of those who will rule with jesus christ, jehovah god...“declares them righteous” and thus views them as being perfect, without sin, while yet in the flesh on earth.” (rom.

  8:33) .

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  Eigenlob stinkt.

  LOL - Gott riecht alles…
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  DID YOU KNOW - about Event 201? (Two months before the virus outbreak a simulation/discussion among the elite)

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  (event 201).

  “event 201” was an exercise organized in october 2019 to simulate what might happen if there was a severe pandemic.. it invited people from business, government, and public health to simulate coordinating a policy response to a theoretical pandemic.. .

  what was the event?.

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  TD

  Terry,
  

  You're aware that the 2002 SARS outbreak in China was coronavirus?

  You're aware that the 2012 MERS outbreak in the Middle East was also coronavirus?

  You're aware that we had nearly two decades advance warning that virulent strains of this virus were emerging?

  Is it your contention that attempts to prepare for the inevitable are evidence of conspiracy?
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  How do JWs know that millions who were martyred as Christians before the 20th century did not have the heavenly hope?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  as i understand it, jehovah’s witnesses believe less than 145,000 faithful christians existed prior to the twentieth century.

  the other sheep christians did not start forming until after 1914. that means jehovah’s witnesses view millions martyred for their faith in christ prior to the 20th century as merely professed christians.. the question is…how do witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in christ were not christians at all?.

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  AFAIK, the JW's have never retracted / revoked / recanted the idea that the heavenly hope was the only hope clear up until the "bright flash of light" in 1935.

  When / if they do, the earthly hope will become an "overlapping hope" kinda like the overlapping generation.

  (First hoping the end comes in your generation and not that of your great, great grandchildren and second, hoping to be found worthy of survival if it does)
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  Another Tidbit regarding Acts 15

  by peacefulpete in

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  2. bible

  acts 15 has an interesting backstory (and textual history) that has been touched on elsewhere so here i will only say, the purpose of the section, and much of the book, is to re-envision the history of the early days of xtianity.

  the deep schisms, (some might say even different origins) are made to appear superficial and inconsequential.

  this theme contiues with the choice of two 'prophets' from jerusalem traveling back to antioch to share with paul and barny, named judas (yes another one) and silas.

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  The entire book of Acts strikes me as a mish-mash. Paul doesn't seem to be aware of the events described in chapter 15 later on, for example.
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  Another Tidbit regarding Acts 15

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  acts 15 has an interesting backstory (and textual history) that has been touched on elsewhere so here i will only say, the purpose of the section, and much of the book, is to re-envision the history of the early days of xtianity.

  the deep schisms, (some might say even different origins) are made to appear superficial and inconsequential.

  this theme contiues with the choice of two 'prophets' from jerusalem traveling back to antioch to share with paul and barny, named judas (yes another one) and silas.

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  Interesting and thanks!
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  PIMO but to scared to talk about doubts

  by Indoubtbigtime in

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  i am pimo but too scared to talk about my doubts with anyone for fear of being shunned.

  i know many now have doubts that the vaccines are safe and effective this is as good as doubting the gb.

  you can it say anything in doubt about the vaccines because the gb still act like salesmen for big pharmaceuticals .

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  Nicolaou is right.

  The JW faith is an epic conspiracy theory, where a relatively small number of people know the "Truth" while the vast majority are mislead by an evil manipulator.

  It's why JW's believe they are qualified to argue with any expert on any subject.
  

  Hematology, Astrophysics, Paleontology, Astronomy, Anthropology, Archeology, Linguistics, you name it. The JW's know much more than those who have spent their entire lives in these fields.
  

  Shedding that mindset doesn't happen overnight.

  For some people, it doesn't happen at all. They spend the rest of their lives taking their information from dubious sources
  

  
  
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  New GB

  by XBEHERE in

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  gage fleegle.

  jeffrey winder.

  anyone know them?

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  Winder:

  

  Fleegle:

  

  They look to be about my age.

  Both have that glazed, hypnotized look I've come to know well. (Hard to describe, but you know it when you see it.)
  
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

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  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Convincing a believing JW of the absurdity of the whole mess is beyond my ability as a communicator, I'm, afraid. (I have tried)
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  My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

  12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

  15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

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  Fisherman,

  In my view, the Decree is exactly what the story represents it to be. --An attempt to mend a rift between the largely Jewish Jerusalem church and the largely Gentile Antioch Church. Although Ancient Greek is rich in imperatives, the Decree is not framed in the language of command and the word of choice among English translators (i.e. Abstain) carries a strong connotation of voluntary compliance, which is reflected in most dictionaries.

  This view is neither here nor there as far as JW's are concerned, so I would frame a rebuttal strictly within the framework of what JW's have taught.
  

  It is clear, in retrospect, that they have simply made a mistake. For centuries it was thought that blood was actually a more elemental form of food. This is evident in the writings of Thomas Bartholin, Jean Baptiste Denys and even the historian, H.G. Wells. Consider, for example, a passage from Wells' novel, War of the Worlds:

  "Entrails they had none. They did not eat, much less digest. Instead, they took the fresh, living blood of other creatures and injected it into their veins…..The physiological advantages of the practice of injection are undeniable, if one thinks of the tremendous waste of human time and energy occasioned by eating and the digestive process. Our bodies are half made up of glands and tubes and organs, occupied in turning heterogeneous food into blood."

  The JW teaching on transfusion was based upon this misconception for at least the first 10 years of its existence. Transfusion was viewed as a form of intravenous feeding that fell directly under the umbrella of biblical prohibitions against eating blood. (The original (brown) edition of the book, Make Sure of all Things states this explicitly as do 50's and early 60's era Watchtowers)

  Eventually, JW's realized that blood is human tissue; that transfusion is a form of tissue transplant and that transplantation is both physically and morally distinguishable from consumption. It therefore became necessary to enlarge the scope of the Decree far beyond what they themselves had previously taught. AFAIK, no reason was ever given for this (Other than the fact that it was necessary to prop up the teaching on transfusion)
  

  None of these attempts hold up under scrutiny.