i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Neil
How so? An adjustment to What?
If you don't see the problem with the 1984 quote I've provided, then I don't think we have a whole lot to discuss.
If you believe that view expressed in that quote has been adjusted and there is some other basis (Other than a chronological understanding of a generation) to identify "prospective" members of the great crowd today, then I would appreciate a reference or two.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Neil,
No, it is a validated doctrine of Biblical Theology
I've listed to you for a long time (Here, Channel C and elsewhere) and I know you grasp the problem, as the math is really quite simple:
"God’s infallible Word depicts this group as ‘coming out of the great tribulation,’ being survivors of it, living right on into God’s New Order without ever having to die. (Revelation 7:9, 10, 14; John 11:26) The early members of this group are now in their 60’s or 70’s or older. Jehovah did not allow the ingathering of this group to begin too soon. The “great crowd,” including many of the earliest members thereof, will survive into the “new earth.”"
Fast forward the clock 40 years and it is clear that an adjustment is on the horizon.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Fisherman
How does that debunk 1914?
It doesn't, at least not directly. Like I said, quibbling over exegeses and chronology will not remedy the passage of time or undo the damage its done. The remedy is going to require adjustments, which could include the significance of 1914 itself.
In Rev, Jesus told the congregations....
I don't think you're coming to grips with the question. Anointed Christians were willing to endure the horrors of the arena for the crown of heavenly life. Paul said, "...he pummeled his body and led it as a slave." Without that hope in Christ, they would have been men, "most to be pitied."
How would you explain to a Bibelforscher that the end wasn't going to come in their lifetime
anyway and that they were simply going to grow old, die and await
resurrection just like everyone else? How would you explain that the Purple triangle was unnecessary?
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Scholar,
That was nearly 88 years ago and those people who stood up were not children.
It is clear in retrospect that they were not the great crowd as JW's understand the term. The great crowd comes out of (i.e. survives) the great tribulation and those people did not even live to see it.
You can call it bright flash of light if you want. I would call it a rip in the fabric of JW theology that must needs be fixed. The idea that the proximity of the end justified the identification of the great crowd in 1935 might have made sense 50 years ago, but it just doesn't work anymore.
Salvation, the Ransom and the two Christian hopes are not trivial doctrines and modifying the significance of 1914 might actually be easier than tinkering with them.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Scholar,
I'm afraid that answer doesn't remedy the damage to some very important JW teachings specific to the "time of the end" including, but not limited to the Ransom and how it applies to Christians today.
I also think it's a little blasé by implication if nothing else. How would you explain to a survivor of Auschwitz that what they were told in 1935 was wrong?
Realistically, I don't suppose you could (Not without repercussions) as the JW's (As recently as 2019) were still hailing the 1935 convention as a bright flash of light.
i'm sure this has been discussed, but 1914 has to go away.
instead of, the overlapping generation teaching, they should have just ditched 1914. .
they should have done that a long time ago with 1975. it's the last of the teachings in the charles taze russell era.. i'm thinking they just will stop talking about it, and it will be out of the mind of the rank and file loyal witnesses .
Scholar,
Quibbling over exegeses and chronology will not remedy the passage of time or undo its damage to teachings that sprang from the 1914 chronology and the alleged proximity of the end.
Where, for example are the people who where told point blank in 1935 that they were the great multitude?
The last person I knew who was there and remembered that event died of old age in the late 1970's
the state university where we live has cultural festivals educating the public about art, food and music of the minorities in the community.
it is also an opportunity for some to generate a little income selling their wares and food.
the jws have successfully put up a booth right in the campus building and used it to actively proselytize and distribute literature.
^^What Joe said^^
The JW's have gained admittance under false pretenses
the bible is well known for its ellipsis* and its lack of explanatory statements of a term used.
there are exceptions in grammatical patterns, such as john exclusively using archon for ruler in his writings - which make the term self evident.sin - is defined"one" (unity) - is somewhat defined and also self evident from the context (no exceptions, every person part of that unity is listed in the context)an interesting thing to see would be how many terms are actually used and explained.
*the omission from speech or writing of a word or words that are superfluous or able to be understood from contextual clues..
Ellipses (Like 1 Peter 3:3 for example) are sometimes used to indicate incomplete grammar.
The presumption that the reader understands terms is a good argument (One of many) that the bible was written to, for and by people who knew the "backstory" and not us today.
i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
The Rashid Rover (UAE) and the SORA-Q (Japan) were launched on December 11 and are scheduled to arrive at the Atlas Crater in April of this year.
Both devices are aboard the Hakuto-R lander, which is taking a very long, 5 month, low energy orbit.
ispace announced on the 11th of this month that everything is on track and the two orbital control maneuvers taken so far were successful.
i wonder how many are like me staying pimo for the great association and gathering etc.
also find it very interesting having a front row seat watching the collapse of borg.. im not wasting any more time or money on anything i don’t want to do like preaching and mostly just go on zoom .
there is nothing i want to do that would be considered disfellowshiping sin, i’m married and want to live by bible principles but i have serious doubts that the gb were chosen by god and are his one and only spokesmen on earth.
The Apollo and Lunokhod programs both placed retroreflectors that are still operational today. 3 were placed by Apollo astronauts and 2 were integral with the Lunokhod rovers.
Any country can use them and therefore any country could falsify the claims of either the US or RU (Or both) if the reflectors were not at the coordinates they are supposed to be at.
(And yeah. The LRO has photographed the tracks left by the Russian rovers and the Luna landers that carried them too)
