The WTS is now in no better a theological position than the Mormons,
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The Gentile nations invisible lease of power was invisibly cancelled by the invisible king who even now is ruling invisibly.
Posts by TD
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239Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!
by VM44 inthis is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.
all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.
the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?
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Shoot First, Proof Latter: Florida's New Gun Law & JW's
by DannyHaszard inshoot first, proof latter: florida's new gun law
blogcritics.org, oh - 24 minutes ago .
... this right already existed at home for the people of florida (woe to the idiot mormon or jehovah's witness who knocked on anyone's door) but now it's been ... .
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The individual misunderstands "First Choice" and "Last Resort" Both describe situations where your life and limb are in jeopardy
In most states of the U.S. you must not only retreat from a threat, (e.g. Run) you must exhaust all possible avenues of retreat before you can use deadly force. This is "Last Resort."
The lone exception is your own home. You don't have to retreat from a threat inside your home. If someone with demonstrable hostile intent is breaking into your home, you have the right to plant yourself in front of them, demand that they desist and back up that demand with deadly force. This is "First Choice."
I'm very leary of what Florida has done, because it seems like there is a huge possibility for abuse. But I don't think this puts the lives of Jehovah's Witnesses in jeopardy.
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Vaccinations
by Pleasuredome in.
not sure if this has been brought up before, but thought i'd post it anyway.
not only do the jws have to ignore milk when it comes to the blood doctrine , now the are going to have to ignore vaccines.. check this out..... http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
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kls- Milk contains somatic cells primarily in the form of neutrophils --a type of white blood cell. Colostrum, which is produced in the first few days of lactation actually has a higher concentration of white blood cells than does blood itself.
Measuring the SCC (Somatic Cell Count) is a common barnyard thing anybody who has spent any time on a dairy farm has done. (e.g The CMT) An elevated SCC is usually indicative of intramammary infection. Current USDA standards for cow's milk allow 500K/cm3. Goat's milk is even higher.
Pleasuredome- Good point. The August 8, 1993 issue of Awake! explicitly acknowledges that allogenic blood is used in the production of the hepatitis B vaccine:
"These active immunizations include all the baby shots and the injections that are commonly considered as vaccinations. With one exception (discussed later), these do not involve the use of blood in any step of production?..One other active immunization deserves attention because it is the only active immunization made from blood. It is a hepatitis-B vaccine called Heptavax-B." (Emphasis mine)
The October 1, 1994 issue of The Watchtower amplifies on the subject of "baby shots" by acknowledging that blood products are indeed used in their production:
"Many find this noteworthy, since some vaccines that are not prepared from blood may contain a relatively small amount of plasma albumin that was used or added to stabilize the ingredients in the preparation."
Examples would include MMR II, MUMPSVAX, ATTENUVAX and MURAVAX II by Merck & Co. The growth mediums for these vaccines (e.g. Medium 199, MEM, etc) typically contain both human albumin and fetal bovine serum. Additionally the vaccines themselves contain human albumin as an adjuvant or excipient. Other examples of this include VARIVAX and VAQTA, also by Merck & Co., EOLARIX, INFANRIX, and GLAXO by SmithKline Beecham, PENTACEL by Aventis Pasteur, and Connaught Laboratories IPV just to name a few. The acceptance of some of these vaccines is virtually unavoidable in modern society.
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Stupididty is not a crime...(Heinlein)
by upside/down inrobert heinlein once said taht " stupidity is not a crime, however, it is often fatal.
" he also said lots of other cool stuff.
i am free, no matter what rules surround me.
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Robert Heinlein was an American writer. His chosen genre was science fiction, but he didn't write it for its own sake. In my opinion, he often used it as a vehicle to explore religious, social and political questions, and his characters were often metaphors for other things.
Some of these questions include; Why does God deserve to be God? (Job A Comedy of Justice) What is freedom? (Citizen of the Galaxy) When is it moral for people to use force as a group? (Starship Troopers)
Heinlein was the penultimate libertarian -- a "rational anarchist." His books sometimes dealt with the morality of revolution (Between Planets, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress) the sacredness of free will (The Puppet Masters) and the evil of slavery (Farnham's Freehold, Citizen of the Galaxy)
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Paradise Lost Paradise Regained / The Terror Pages
by prophecor in.
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did those pictures of people jumping outta' thier graves not scare the $#!+ outta' you?
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To be fair, this was not originally intended to be a childrens's book and the JW's were specific about that at the time of its release.
However the pressure for parents to conduct some sort of "bible study" with their children coupled with the fact that there was really nothing else available that was written at a child's level virtually guaranteed that it would become a children's book.
I don't know of a single person in the 40 and above crowd raised as a JW that didn't have that book as part of their family "Bible" study.
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Paradise Lost Paradise Regained / The Terror Pages
by prophecor in.
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did those pictures of people jumping outta' thier graves not scare the $#!+ outta' you?
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Thank You!
by TD ini was going to post a personal note under the subject, "my daughter is reading jwd" but i decided to just say, "thanks" instead.
it can be confusing for a teen-aged child when one parent is a jw and the other is not, even in a house like mine, where both parents recognize that it would be grossly unfair to "pull" in both directions at once, forcing her to please one parent at the expense of the other.
jwd, with its huge cross-section of people and experience has been and continues to be valuable in helping her to make up her own mind.
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I was going to post a personal note under the subject, "My daughter is reading JWD" but I decided to just say, "Thanks" instead.
It can be confusing for a teen-aged child when one parent is a JW and the other is not, even in a house like mine, where both parents recognize that it would be grossly unfair to "pull" in both directions at once, forcing her to please one parent at the expense of the other.
JWD, with its huge cross-section of people and experience has been and continues to be valuable in helping her to make up her own mind. She may never post here; the JW experience may never be a big enough thing in her life for her to feel the need, (...Thank God) but she enjoys reading what you all have to say.
Thank You!
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mediator?
by Momofmany inlast night my mom and i were talking.
she asked me to give her one reason other than the un and 607 why i can't go back to the kh.
i told her, jesus is my mediator.
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Eduardo,
...It simply is just a matter of using a term that does have different meanings in different situations.
That's the crux of the problem. The Watchtower has explicitly argued that the Bible does not use the word in a way that would or even could include "different meanings in different situations" as you put it.
If the word as it is used at 1 Ti 2:5 is applicable to more than one situation than it would have to be used in the broader generic sense. Yet that is exactly what The Watchtower has argued against. The assertion is that the word is only used in a narrow esoteric sense.
The JW's cannot have their cake and eat it too in this instance --Not with a source language where grammar is everything.
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Mormons/LDS
by Evanescence inwhat would your views be on mormons?.
was there much incidences where jw's and mormons would ever catch eachother while going door-to-door?.
just curious cause both of you do it and wondered if there was ever any conflict between the two..... evanescence
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Mormons from outside Utah behave much differently than Mormons raised in Utah
That's funny. The Mormons here in Arizona will roll their eys and use the expression "Utah Mormon" almost like it's a swear word
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mediator?
by Momofmany inlast night my mom and i were talking.
she asked me to give her one reason other than the un and 607 why i can't go back to the kh.
i told her, jesus is my mediator.
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Hey Ed,
My comment wasn't directed at you and I'm sorry if it sounded that way. I do understand your point. Within their doctrinal framework the Witnesses' use of the term does make a certain sense.
What I had in mind was the August 15, 1989 questions from readers which said:
"Consequently, 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 is not using "mediator" in the broad sense common in many languages. It is not saying that Jesus is a mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, it refers to Christ as legal Mediator (or, "attorney") of the new covenant, this being the restricted way in which the Bible uses the term. Jesus is also a corresponding ransom for all in that covenant, both Jews and Gentiles, who will receive immortal life in heaven."
The unqualified claim here is that the Bible itself uses the term "Mediater" in only a "restricted way" that does not include anyone outside the new covenant.
Reasonable people (Like yourself) can point out that Christ as Ransomer and Redeemer for the rest of mankind does make him a "mediator of sorts" but that is simply a common sense observation that is not specifically taught in the Bible, at least according to The Watchtower.
I think the average Witnesses, who for whatever reason is confronted with this aspect of JW doctine for the first time finds this idea terribly offensive because this is certainly not the most natural reading of the captioned verses. Generations of believers (And this includes JW's) have read these particualr verses and drawn no small comfort in the thought that it applies to them.
(On a more generic note, the JW claim is utter hogwash. Paul is clearly talking about "men" in the collective sense -huper panton and there is no indication that he is using the term, "Mediator" --mesites as an esoteric, legal term. In common usage, the word simply meant, "One who makes peace between two parties.")