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  Am I too hung up on dates?

  by coolhandluke in

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  i had a two hour conversation with a friend last night.

  frustrating.

  it was like arguing with myself.

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  The JW's believe that they as an organization were directly involved with and in some cases actually the target of quite a number of Bible prophecies and prophetic parallels that were realized in the 20th century. Most of these are directly tied to dates

  Therefore what did or didn't happen on these dates as well as the accuracy of the dates themselves can't be dismissed as irrelavant because they carry an important doctrinal significance.

  For example the JW's believe that Christ returned in the fall of 1914. For the next 3 1/2 years he conducted an inspection of all Christianity. He then rewarded the leadership of the Bible Students (a.k.a. Rutherford & Co.) by appointing them over all his belongings in 1919. The entire F&DS doctrine hangs on this alleged appointment.

  If that date is wrong, then it becomes obvious even to JW's that this status is entirely self-proclaimed. In other words, the "slave" simply declared himself to be righteous. In the JW world, this is a serious thing, because a slave that uses a self-proclaimed status to assert authority over his fellow slaves, is by defninition, NOT righteous.
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  Real blood transfusion history?

  by domi0031 in

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  hello from a french newbye .

  i read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  the paragraph as i remember it carried on saying something like: the brothers & sisters were vey affected, and some ask why god permit it?.

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  I also out of curiosity checked the 1940's Watchtowers. Transfusion is only mentioned at all in the 1944, 1945 and 1949 years and these references are somewhat oblique. (The first really strong condemnation of transfusion actually appeared in the 1949 Awake!)

  I don't have all the Awake! / Consolations for the '40's, but I'll check the ones I have.

  Sorry I couldn't find this --- It really piqued my curiosity

  -Thomas Zackery Daniels
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  Real blood transfusion history?

  by domi0031 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello from a french newbye .

  i read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  the paragraph as i remember it carried on saying something like: the brothers & sisters were vey affected, and some ask why god permit it?.

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  Faith on the March was written in 1957, long after the prohibition on blood transfusion was introduced.

  Good point. The same is true of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959) In the real world this shouldn't make any difference because both books discuss doctrinal positions and history that predate the prohibition, but in the JW world, where an illusory picture of harmony between current and past beliefs must be maintained, it makes a difference.

  This was a good example:

  Some of our boys in one prison in particular considered this the same as blood transfusions, and refused to submit.

  I wonder where they could have gotten that idea?
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  Bethany Hughes case - www.cp24.com

  by Toronto_Guy in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.pulse24.com/news/top_story/20050624-021/page.asp

  bethany hughes had a choice to make and it cost her her life.

  the 17-year-old alberta resident was a devout jehovahs witness who was diagnosed with leukemia.

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  “Christians are told to abstain from blood,” counters spokesman Clive Thomas. “We don't believe in a burning hell fire but we believe that somebody who has broken God's laws unrepentantly will meet God's unfavourable judgment. And that means they may not get to live in a paradise on earth.”

  This statement just get's my blood boiling. It sounds so grandious and dramatic to witnesses, like a f*cking installment in the Star Wars series, good vs. evil. Will this madness ever end??

  
  

  
  
  

  Me too! Invoking an incomplete predicate as an independent construction is meaningless. It has to have a context. Didn't these idiots even attend school?

  If a woman's OBGYN tells her that, "Pregnant women should abstain from alcohol," it means something entirely different than if a dermatologist tells this woman's husband that, "Persons with sensitive skin should abstain from alcohol."

  We don't abstain from objects themselves, we abstain from finite acts done in connection with objects. In this case, she can still put it on her skin and he can still drink it.
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  The story of my life (part 6- Bethel, the second shock)

  by onacruse in

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  2. friends

  so, here i am, reeling from the events of the recent weeks...and then comes a blessed respite.

  one of the "perks" of being on the janitorial crew was that, every summer, tradition sent us to mountain farm for a couple of weeks, to pick strawberries..

  ahhhhhh!!

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  ...the Farm Overseer could only provide me with the weapon: he couldn't provide me the shells.

  I Love it! They only provided the weapon, you provided the ammuntion.

  So typical of JW thinking. It reminds me of JW's at work that will gladly accept a lottery ticket if you give it to them, but won't buy one themselves.
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  WERE THERE ANY RUMPUSES IN YOUR CONGREGATION?

  by badboy in

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  any takers?

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  --My wife's congregation met with four others in the same Kingdom Hall. One of these was Spanish. If you're familiar with Spanish culture, especially here in a border state, where many in these congregations have only been here in America for a few years, you know that it is both more demonstrative and more sensual than ours. If you're not familiar with it, you pretty much have to experience it for yourself, because I doubt if I can explain it.

  Anyhow, someone's Bible study, a young swaggering male brimming with testosterone was temporarily overcome with the beauty of the Spanish females all dolled up in their Sunday finery. (Clingy skirts, High, high heels, Off the shoulder blouses, spaghetti straps --You get the picture) He reached out and touched an especially pretty one as she went by ---on the rear end.

  This woman, had a husband --a big husband who was close by. He took this guy by the front of the shirt right there in the Kingdom Hall, spun him 180 degrees around, slammed him against the wall and told him what would happen if he ever did it again.

  I know this from a first-hand account. One of the elders in that congregation worked with me at the time. The funny thing was that while the English congregations thought this was scandalous the Spanish took it in stride like it was no big deal.
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  CoC Book

  by Cori in

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  2. friends

  i have been fading for over a year now, and have not read coc yet.

  in my personal situation, it has become quite difficult to obtain the book, or to have it sent where im living.

  i have read several posts with others here willing to part with their copy of coc.

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  TD

  Hi,

  If you don't mind getting an earlier edition, I have a copy you can have. PM me if you like

  Tom
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  Real blood transfusion history?

  by domi0031 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello from a french newbye .

  i read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  the paragraph as i remember it carried on saying something like: the brothers & sisters were vey affected, and some ask why god permit it?.

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  ..Well I've struck out. I can't find it in either book
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  Real blood transfusion history?

  by domi0031 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello from a french newbye .

  i read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  the paragraph as i remember it carried on saying something like: the brothers & sisters were vey affected, and some ask why god permit it?.

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  By a time I thougt it was Mc Millan who wrote it.

  Could it be the book Faith On The March?

  I'll check both books this evening
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  Real blood transfusion history?

  by domi0031 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello from a french newbye .

  i read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  the paragraph as i remember it carried on saying something like: the brothers & sisters were vey affected, and some ask why god permit it?.

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  Hi Dommi

  I read on a publication that there was a beloved brother at Bethel who died after a blood transfusion.

  How old was this publication?