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  I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

  actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

  i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

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  TD but the book of life is opened at the end of the 1000-year reign. Isn't it explicit in Rev 20?

  Yes. Exactly.

  Or am I missing something?

  JW's sometimes forget this and apply it to survival of Armageddon.

  --And not just the rank and file either. I once heard what they call a Circuit Overseer go on for thirty minutes about getting your name in the Book of Life now, so you can survive Armageddon.
  
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  I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

  actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

  i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

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  On the question of scriptural vs. unscriptural teachings, one way to approach it is from the standpoint of things the JW's themselves don't believe to be scriptural.

  For example, unless I am very much mistaken, the JW's believe the "Book of Life" of Revelation 20 is not opened until the end of the millennium and this view follows directly from what they consider the "Resurrection of judgement" to be. (i.e. The vast majority of mankind are resurrected during the millennium and judged based on their conduct thereafter.)

  However it is not at all uncommon for JW's to insinuate, imply, or even openly state both in speech and in print that having ones name in the "Book of Life" is about survival of Armageddon and that your name is put into this book via organizational affiliation with the JW's.

  So an unscriptural teaching (By their own standards) is used for the sake of convenience as a sort of cattle prod vis-à-vis people they consider to be "inactive" or not otherwise doing enough.
  
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  The CDC estimates influenza deaths in the U.S. this season (October 2019 - March 2020) at 24,000 to 62,000.

  I think I know where you're going with this on a Covid-19 thread, but I hope I'm wrong.
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  I'm interested in discussing basic JW doctrines that you believe are unscriptural

  by AlainAlam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  background info: although i'm an apostate, i don't hate jehovah's witnesses, or the organization itself.

  actually i find that many derogatory comments here are extremely biased.

  i think most of them are amazing people, and i wish more non-witnesses were like them.

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  You question seems to have a basic tenet of the JW's built into it as an a priori assumption
  

  JW's and kindred groups believe the sixty-six book compilation is a single, contiguous work with a central theme and internal continuity from cover to cover.

  (As opposed to a loosely organized anthology reflecting a number of theological views which did not truly reach its final form until the Middle Ages.)

  I'm really not sure how some of the doctrines you mention above could be judged as scriptural or unscriptural in the absence of this view.

  I'm willing to don that cap sometimes for the sake of discussion with a believing JW, but I'm a little puzzled here, since you're not.
  
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  YouTube BANNED this video yesterday!

  by The Fall Guy in

  1. social
  2. current

  it lasts for 45 minutes, but the first 11 minutes are more than enough to see that something is not quite right regarding the media's information about covid 19. the video has english subtitles.

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  https://www.davidicke.com/article/566782/billy-six-deckt-corona-schauspiel-auf.

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  Don't shoot the messenger!

  Icke is not simply a "messenger."

  He starts with his conclusion and backs into it
  

  That is a style of argumentation (And logical fallacy) that everyone familiar with the JW's should be intimately acquainted with
  

  
  
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  Covid 19 - expert says it's hype!

  by The Fall Guy in

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  lol!

  having commented earlier on experts' differing views, here's a prominent german physician/politician - wolfgang wodarg - who made controvorsial statements that the coronavirus "pandemic" is not out of the ordinary and that italy's mortality rate (8,215 deaths from coronavirus so far) is no greater than it would normally be from the 'flu virus.

  in 2017/18 approx 18,000 italians died due to the flu.. the wikipedia section - controversial theses in the 2020 covid 19 crisis - is worth examining.

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  So a scientist advances a theory. It's torn to shreds by his peers, not just of its inaccuracy, but for its faulty methodology.

  The data since early 2020 has not followed the model suggested by the theory, providing further disconfirmation,

  Die Glaubwürdigkeit von Herrn Wodarg ist jetzt ernsthaft geschädigt...

  Was your intention to highlight the difference between how science works and how religion works?
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Mistaken Ideas About What The Bible Teaches

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  let's add to the following list.

  jws are mistaken when they believe the bible teaches:.

  1. that their leaders somehow represent the faithful and wise servant.

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  --But that matter [circumcision] came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us

  Paul and James lob insults at each other all through the NT.
  
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  Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

  latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

  the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

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  I'm very pleased that this administration took strong measures at a time when conservative pundits (e.g. Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, et al) were claiming this was a "Deep State" conspiracy no worse than the common cold.

  Even more recently, Aaron Ginn's piece of nonsense was taken down by Medium.com and I have not heard anyone in the administration regurgitating it.

  So yeah. No complaints from me
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  need input: Asked my wife to show me in the bible where Christ became King in 1914

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my wife is so diluted and brainwashed.

  during this time she is having so much anxiety, mainly because me and my son's want nothing to do with the religion.. so the discussion was, i told her will never go back because they go way beyond what the bible teaches all the time.

  i brought up overlapping generation, 607 and then i told her...show me where in the bible that jesus returned invisbly in 1914 and started ruling?

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  I brought up overlapping generation, 607 and then i told her...show me where in the bible that jesus returned invisbly in 1914 and started ruling?

  This isn't going to help her...
  
  
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  Name 3 Movies You Have Seen At Least 3 Times

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  goodfellas.

  one flew over the cuckoos nest.

  casino.

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  O Brother, Where Art Thou?

  That Thing You Do!

  It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World