Wars are faught for political and economic resources, and cause religion, because the victor has written history since the first battles between equally superstitious primitive peoples. Since war causes religion, religion does not cause war. But religion is used to ignite the people to sustain the battle for political and economic resource. Without "divinity" religion, leaders would use secular nationalism to get the same effect. Wiping out religion will not wipe out war, because religion is not the cause of war. The WTS uses religion for control of political and economic resources, so does the Taliban, so did the Inquisition, so does the IRA, so does the PLO. Hitler used a secular substitute and look at the greater, more carnal, more nihilistic damage. Wiping out religion would leave nihilistic nationalism. Religions, left to their own devices, do not cause strife (they all have the same principle commandments), but are convenient fault lines for politics.
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Is religion the cause of war?
by tdogg ini have had this discussion with many people but i would like to know what the xjw has to say, since we were told this so many times at church.. i am of the opinion that most wars are not really fought due to religion but rather, economics.
religion of course is the excuse leaders will use, but if look behind the facade there is always some economic motovation.
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Staying awake during the Watchtower study
by drahcir yarrum inhere's a question i always wanted answered during the years i was a witness.
what's the best way to stay awake during the watchtower study?
oh, furthermore, what's the best way to stay awake during any witness "snooze-a-thon" brainwashing session?
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Teirce
For some reason, I was able to sleep with my eyes open and stay awake-looking before I was married. Once I was married, she was too smart for that, so, I just ended up nodding off and embarrassing the hell out of her.
In my Greatest Man book, on the illustration for the chapter of Jesus' Transfiguration, I had a little power cord going from the illuminated Jesus to a wall socket. That's one thing that you can miss, all the chances to make fun of things from the inside..
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Programming Through Post Hypnotic Suggestions
by Victor_E ini went into the knowledge book to pull some post hypnotic suggestions that were the constant diet of fussy gummy thinking that can lead to fear and paranoia.
pg 10 if life in paradise appeals to you, let nothing hold you back from gaining the knowledge of god.. this is a blanket all or nothing statement that registers in the unconscious mind as i need to do all the jws tell me with no exceptions, to have the paradise life.
satan is opposition to god through your study of the bible........you will not let pressures to prevent you from what is right .......satan ruthlessly tries to intimidate anyone ......you should always.....remember and appreciate jehovah.....you help opposers gain appreciation.
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Teirce
I was in the audience at a hypnotism session. The hypnotist's closing comments was to remind all that the three things he used - relaxation, distraction and repetition, where what governments and religions used to hypnotize.
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The Day After Armageddon
by Tatiana inthe day after armageddon.
hey, maybe it won't be so bad after all!.
april.
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Teirce
I have the chilling sensation of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.
<wake up with clothes><see them guys><they point and scream like satan>
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Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick
by MrMoe ini will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.
november 8, 2001 awake page 9: some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities.
at times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.. page 12: should the battered wife leave her husband?
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Teirce
"If she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up with her husband."
That means the abuser can bottleneck the wife's prospects for happy marriage inside the org. She'll have to get herself fornicated, divorced, and back to good standing before she can explore another marriage. Lots of time and money.
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Is evolution a fact or theory?
by sleepy inis evolution a fact or a theory?.
i suppose it depends on what you mean.. evolution in the sense of change from one generation to the next seams to be fact.. is well observed that offspring from a given creature will differ from the parent in different ways and thus after many generation can come to be quite different.. also that the genes of a creature can be affected by radiation from the sun and be alter in a novel way producing new and unique features in its offspring ( as long as the mutation is in the sperm or the egg).. that we came about via changes in the genes that eventually created a very different creature than that existed many generations ago , is that a fact?.
this requires that not only that there are changes between generation but also that these changes could be directed by different environments to such a degree that only certain specialised features could survive and reproduce offspring whilst other creatures have died out and only remain in fossilised form.. what evidence is there that such environments can and have existed?
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Teirce
Alan, do you have any materials/links on the origins of the X and Y chromosomes? Tks
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The Serpent Ate the Fruit
by Black Man ini remember in one of my bethel entrants school classes, the instructor commenting on the events that went down in genesis chapter 3 and commenting that one of the reasons why the serpent was so persuasive was because he "evidently" partook of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad.
because he had taken such a course, he could persuasively convince eve to do the same.
i can't remember what source material he used to support this assertion.
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Teirce
That smells like one of those "isms" that Circus Overseers are allowed to speculate upon without textual proof, just as a perk. Keeps them just that side of mortal and accountable, thus imbuing them with a mystical diet-flavor of divinity. Interesting.
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Religious Ideology
by outsider_looking_in inreligious ideology.
taoism: shit happens.
confucianism: confucius, he say: "shit happens.
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Teirce
hehe. Meism, I'm the shit.
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Care to vent with me?
by patio34 inam aware this is not original.
my jw son called yesterday.
he pointed out to me how "fragile" everything is, what with the wtc bombing threatening so much in the us and world.
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Teirce
Wiseguy, outsider. hehe
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Martial arts as a metaphor for verbal conflicts
by Introspection inlet me know what you guys think of this.. if there isn't much response maybe i'll type a little less, don't want to be boring everyone if it's not of interest.... well, i was thinking about how arguments happen online on this board and elsewhere, and it occurred to me it has some things in common with some basic martial arts principles.. first of all, something very basic that nobody seems to think about is that you need to see what your opponent is doing.
it seems that often people get upset and are more likely to be focused on that feeling, rather than how they will respond to the other person's argument or actions.
(of course, a calm and collected fight probably doesn't make a good movie) in verbal arguments, this can take various forms.
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Teirce
Sorry, Intro. The relevant quotes I drew upon indicate that martial arts is based on sound knowledge of science and natural law, and on personal experience rather than on "others' experience". In this regard, those who debate with martial arts principles do not engage in groupthink. I wasn't referencing Lark's discussion..
Quotes from that link - "Kashima-Shinryû is martial "science" because mastery of its theoretical foundations and advanced principles must be based on scientific knowledge of the natural cosmos in which humans live." and "More important, in both cases it is not limited just to physical science but extends to human sciences, especially sciences of human relations and self-realization."
But you do raise an interesting distinction: every level of JW heirarchy possesses secret techniques of debate which can be weilded over the group(s) under it. The rank-n-swiss weild powerful appeals to stupidity over the stupid, the Elders weild power appeals to guilt over the rank-n-swiss, the CO's weild powerful threats over the Elders, on up the line. All these techniques are kept secret from the lower echelons, and forsooth, "could also be used for great harm in the wrong hands."