Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick

by MrMoe 80 Replies latest jw friends

MrMoe

I will let you all hang who ever the heck wrote this crap.
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November 8, 2001 Awake – page 9: “Some battered women may need to seek assistance from the authorities. At times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police-can cause an abusive man to see the seriousness of the action.”
Page 12: “Should the battered wife leave her husband?” The Bible does not treat martial separation lightly. At the same time, it does not oblige a battered wife to stay with a man who jeopardizes her health and perhaps her very life. The Christian apostle Paul wrote: “If she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up with her husband.” Since the Bible does not forbid separation in extreme circumstances, what a woman does in this matter is a personal decision. No one should coax a wife to leave her husband, but neither should anyone pressure a battered woman to stay with an abusive man when her health, life, and spirituality are threatened.”
Risk Indicators (page 7 November 8, 2001 AWAKE
1. The man has previous involvement with domestic violence
2. He is out of work
3. He uses illegal drugs at least once a year
4. When he lived at home, he saw his father hit his mother.
5. The couple are not married, they cohabit.
6. If employed, he has a low-paying job.
7. He did not graduate from high-school.
8. He is between 18 and 30 years of age.
9. One or both use violence toward children in the home.
10. Income is below poverty level.
11. The man and woman are from different cultural background
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I am somewhat at a loss for comments right about now - as I am sure you all agree with everything I feel right now. I am sick to my stomach. They are gonna get in some hot water for this one!
OK - now that I have calmed down a bit - did anyone but me catch the fact it seems that they discourage a woman leaving a situation like this unless under EXTREME circumstances? And for NOBODY TO TELL OR ADVISE HER TO LEAVE!!!!! H-E-L-L-O? Are we brain dead here? And - if those facts about risks for wife beaters - 99% of the people I know are a risk. I am so mad about this. I need to stop and count to 10.
<<<<<clicking her heels and saying htere's no place like home, there's no place like home>>>>>> Man - am I glad I'm OUT!
Pathofthorns

The risk indicators seem to be a bit ridiculous.
As far as the advice to women subjected to domestic violence, the article would seem to be more like 'permission' for the JW woman to leave her husband, go to the authorities or otherwise get help.
This seems more like advice to the congregation not to judge individuals in these circumstances and how they deal with their situation, and leaves whatever action taken strictly to the injured mate.
I would be interested in seeing the article in its complete context.
Path
JT

No one should coax a wife to leave her husband
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this is funny- when you consider that most women who leave is because a loving friend has helped them see the need to get the Hell out
most women unless advise would not leave in my opinion- esp if she has been indocrinated by wt
the wt should have said if he hits you it is time to get to stepping
instead they try to down play the matter by saying GOD DON'T LIKE FOR FOLKS TO LEAVE
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MOST JW SISTER are directly or indirctly discouraged from leaving esp if the husband is a member
MrMoe

OK - take this statement for an example: "Some battered women may need to seek assistance" - SOME? And who defines some?
Or - take this "At times, a point of crisis-such as intervention of the police..." A point of crisis - and what is thier definition of a point of crisis?
How about this gut wrenching quote? "Should the battered wife leave her husband? The Bible does not treat martial separation lightly..." (All the material a JW man needs to coax his wife to stay.)
And this - “If she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up with her husband.” Once a wife beater always a wife beater.
And - my final point - "the Bible does not forbid separation in extreme circumstances..." And what is extreme? Extreme beating usually leads to death or severe injuries. What about getting out while you still have your bones in tact?
JT

And - my final point - "the Bible does not forbid separation in extreme circumstances..." And what is extreme? Extreme beating usually leads to death or severe injuries. What about getting out while you still have your bones in tact?
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WELLL INDEED ON POINT
THE PROBLEM with the article is that while in one congo you may have elders and local jw who would tell the woman to leave for being slapped in the face--while
in another congo it would take a broken nose or knocked out tooth in another for the elders and local jw to tell the women to leave thier husband
so within some 90,000 congo you will have a different set of rules being locally interpeted by the local jw - while all the while the poor woman despite where she lives is gettting her A$$ beaten
this is the problem --these key words- as former elders and former jw we all know that the org has used these types of words to live by:
SOME? And who defines some?
A point of crisis - and what is thier definition of a point of crisis?
"Should the battered wife leave her husband?- instead of say yes since they have already acknowledeged that she is a BATTERED WIFE
THEY try the bible guilt trip- it is so important to notice how they ref the bible immediately after asking the most important question that a jw woman will be asking herself CAN I LEAVE THIS FOOL
and instead of telling her GET TO STEPPING THEY TWIST THE BIBLE right at that moment
and this point like my man points out so well is THE KICKER
And what is extreme? Extreme beating usually leads to death or severe injuries. AND WHO DEFINES IT sister you don't look too bad if you put on some makeup
sick
James
JT

WT get away words:
PERHAPS
MAYBE
COULD BE
LIKELY
APPEARS
SEEMLY
POSSIBLY
ETC
it is with these words the wt lays out the dogmas on so many issues
so that when they need to change they can say
WE DIDN'T SAY FOR SURE OR DEFINTELY ONLY maybe
and you guys took it the rest of the way
but as my old DO JC HOward used to say all the time
WHICH WAY IS THE SOCIETY "LEANING"
Marvin Shilmer

Page 12:
Should the battered wife leave her husband?" The Bible does not treat martial separation lightly. At the same time, it does not oblige a battered wife to stay with a man who jeopardizes her health and perhaps her very life. The Christian apostle Paul wrote: "If she should actually depart, let her remain unmarried or else make up with her husband." Since the Bible does not forbid separation in extreme circumstances, what a woman does in this matter is a personal decision. No one should coax a wife to leave her husband, but neither should anyone pressure a battered woman to stay with an abusive man when her health, life, and spirituality are threatened.
Is There Hope for Batterers?
Spouse abuse is a brazen violation of Bible principles. At Ephesians 4:29,31, we read: "Let a rotten saying not proceed out of your mouth.. Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from you along with all badness."

Today most elders would probably counsel abused wives according to the above. But formerly, with little wonder why, congregation overseers have advised JW women they should endure their husbands abuse, for the husbands sake.
*** w64 4/15 249-50 What Holds You Back from True Worship? ***
Real love for the family is shown by being willing to put up with disapproval, or even abuse, so that those unbelieving family members may have the best possible opportunity to learn the truths from God’s Word and come in line for the everlasting blessings that Jehovah God holds out to those who serve him.—1 Pet. 3:1-6.
*** km 6/76 1-3 The Truth Is Beneficial Each Day ***
One sister thought recently that she could not endure any more mental and verbal abuse from her opposed husband. On her own she decided to separate from him, but before doing this she went to Jehovah in prayer and read carefully 1 Corinthians 7:10-16 and 1 Peter 3:1-6. She reviewed her situation with two of the local elders and obtained mature advice and help. Thereafter she decided to talk to her husband and tell him what she had thought about doing but reconsidered in the light of the Scriptures. She spoke to him kindly and respectfully, but frankly, and her opposed husband reacted favorably. He had not seen his actions objectively, but assured his wife that things would be better. The truth benefited this sister greatly because she took a wholesome, Scriptural course of action and Jehovah blessed her.
detective

Risk Indicators (page 7 November 8, 2001 AWAKE
1. The man has previous involvement with domestic violence
~~Would this be something he mentions during the group outings or should he wait until they are on a chaperoned date before mentioning this?
2. He is out of work.
~~And, if he grew up in the trooth he's under-educated. That doesn't bode well for hasty re-employment.
3. He uses illegal drugs at least once a year
~~Week long drug binges every year and a half don't qualify as a risk indicator. But does he smoke???
4. When he lived at home, he saw his father hit his mother.
5. The couple are not married, they cohabit.
~~Don't shack up. What do you expect but beatings when you act like a whore? Luckily, to avoid injury you can just wave that magical piece of paper otherwise known as a marriage license. Yup, that'll save you.
6. If employed, he has a low-paying job.
7. He did not graduate from high-school.
~~People who are discouraged from going to college don't usually don't earn the big bucks. Even better when they drop out of high school to put Jehovah ahead of worldly pursuits.
9. One or both use violence toward children in the home.
~~Does emotional abuse count as violence?
10. Income is below poverty level.
~~Pioneering doesn't put food on the table.
11. The man and woman are from different cultural background
~~misogyny and bigotry! What will they think of next?
FrightMare

Women are so ridiculously stupid, especially the ones who need someone to tell them to leave an abusive relationship, and can't do it on their own. I mean, even cats are smarter than that.
Tina

ahhh no mention then of counseling,and I mean REAl counseling,again another area where elders are NOT qualified. Any mention of pro-active techniques for the womans safety? Crisis hot lines,shelters for them and their children? They disgust me. Another instance where they re-inforce the abuse. And another example of just how out of sync with reality these people are.Tina
Carl Sagan on balancing openness to new ideas with skeptical scrutiny..."if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense-you cannot distinguish useful ideas from worthless ones."

Nov. 8 Awake - Wife Beaters-Sick

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