does anyone know of any jws who have watched leah remini's special series on scientology currently being aired on the a&e cable channel?
the jwdom parallels are striking.. i am curious to know if any jws have watched it and what their reactions are?.
..............on second thoughts, there's some course language in the series - which has been edited - so maybe jws might not watch it.. it seems the series is best for someone who is in the phase of waking up, aware that something just isn’t right with the group.
I haven't watched that particular show, but there are many on Scientology around. I recently watched one in Investigation Discovery, following the story of a woman who ended up murdered by her own son in the Scientology church.
I like shows like the one you're mentioning. I'll look for it.
i was just thinking, did new song books precede periods of jw doctrinal changes?.
the latest songbook ( 2009 ) came out just before the maniacal rebranding of watchtower into jw.'org..
what about previous generations?
...did it come before new and exciting revelations from the slave...
No, the change back then became out of legal problems because in the previous songs they plagiarized music that didn't belong to them. That illegally changed the Lyrics of music that was copyrighted. Those were the songs they eliminated, and new music was added.
The only change that I remember back then around that time that was announced as the so-called "new light" was that they changed from pricing the magazines to letting people contribute what they wanted.
Just one side note, the actual active JWs are the real slaves.
our life's are important, and maybe for many this board represents a first in a very important step to beginning a new life?
what is that new life?
it should be a life where we fulfill our wishes, not an organizations wishes, not our parents wishes and not our friends wishes.
So do not leave the Watchtower if you only have a poor quality of life outside the organization, remain with dignity, don't be intimidated by their authorative voice, and plan a future where you are fulfilling your own wishes. Remember our life is for our enjoyment, and it should never be given to a heartless organizations, nor even well wishing parents. HOWEVER, neither hould our rebellion from the Watchtower leave us friendless and alone.
Thank you for sharing. I'd say that there's no specific formula and that all suggested actions should remain as suggested. There's no cookie cutter way of leaving as there are many different factors that each person has to consider in their particular situation.
Once again, I'd like to add to consider the one and most important thing, and the one and most thing that tends to be neglected to be mentioned: your feelings.
If a person plans to leave, I'd strongly suggest to first take a look at what is that the WT gives the that makes them feel comfortable and makes them stay up to this point. There are reasons why people join and they have nothing to do with learning anything, but with something that gives them comfort. People should take a look at what is that the WT has that gives them that comfort. Then is where (IMO) they can start understanding their reasons and their thought process around their decision of joining, and then they can start looking for healthy alternatives to fulfill whatever the WT does for them.
The part that I quoted from you is very important, especially what you mention about your rebellion. To me the most damage occurs in people being convinced of all the nonsense that the WT tell people about the world outside and about what their lives are supposed to become if they leave. That's the most manipulative thing, the fear that the WT instill in people about the world and their lives without them.
People don't need to buy into their black and white mentality. Being outside doesn't mean that you become immoral, nor that you are supposed to become anything that they say people become.
i'd like to as the question, when will construction at warwick finish?
will it be before the 2017 agm?i'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the gb could be free to release more 'new light'.its hardly likely that they would announce big changes that might effect the willingness of their laborers to continue working for free.
so i'm sort of hoping, all the big stuff will be done by then.
I'm asking because, if the construction is basically finished by then, the GB could be free to release more 'new light'.
What does the announcement of their so-called new light has to do with finishing a building? And what exactly is what you're hoping? Personally I can't care less about anything they say, but I just wonder what do you think it's so relevant that is worth such expectations?
"does religious conversion dishonor family traditions or customs?
this need not be the case.
the bible encourages respect for all, regardless of their religion.
A major investigation of the practices, hypocrisy, and lies of this alleged "charity" is long overdue by the relevant authorities.
Problem is that the authorities have no ruling and no saying in anything that is not illegal. They are not violating any law, and JWs are voluntarily agreeing to abide their rules (by brainwashing, coercion and shunning, yes, but voluntarily nonetheless).
There's not such thing as the moral police, not to mention all the things that many other religious organizations get away with in the name of religious freedom and separation of church and state.
I agree that they are morally disgusting, but they are doing nothing illegal at all.
so i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.
among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.
so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".
what does one say to a comment like that?
Personally I say nothing. There's no point in talking to a person who is more than happy to start a conversation about something you have no interest in hearing about. Saying anything to that person will not have any positive outcome.
It is obvious that you're getting rid of your books, so if the person isn't capable of understanding anything, why bother? Besides, if your sole purpose is to sell the books, who cares where they end up?
hello fellow apostates!
my first post and a long time lurker here.
i would like to thank all of you for the existence of this board as this has been instrumental for me in leaving the place i once knew as "the truth".
If I decide to sell these on the market, I am not sure if I will run into legal trouble though. Do you guys have any advice? Should I go ahead with this or is it not worth the potential trouble? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
Looks like a lot of fun. You may in fact get in trouble, and if it becomes lucrative, they may even steal your idea. Their material is copyrighted, so you may need their permission to replicate it.
THAT SAID, and on a second thought, I know that some of the illustrations that they used in their art were actually plagiarized. I remember one illustration in the "Your youth" book being copied from an advertisement that I myself saw in National Geographic magazine. So their copyright may not be that rightful.
Something else, you may want to have fun with that project, but you may actually be promoting them. There's no such thing as bad publicity, especially in that form. Think of the objective you may have for your project.
Also, please note that not all here consider themselves apostates. Just trying to be sensitive to others.
you dont have be alive to 2075 to prove that the wt's anointed generation is and will prove to be wrong, it is!
and you can do it now, by asking just one question:.
does the "generation" prophecy of math.
Does the "generation" prophecy of Math. 24 include Armageddon ?
Or by asking: Who cares what you WT freaks have to say?
the ad for this site came up here on jwn.
http://www.brooklynsignworks.com/jw/?gclid=cp7ppbzr_tacfy-baqodwocm1a.
i was not aware that these cart signs were being made and sold by essentially a private company or proprietorship.
Even if this weren't an egregious disregard for Jesus casting out the temple charlatans, why are these guys advertising?
A) You gotta pay to run ads. They're making money.
B) Who are they advertising to? Obviously they're looking for terms like "jehovahs witness" and "JW". Which leads to...
C) They screwed up by advertising on a predominantly ex-JW site. Well done.
I have to admit, it is pretty odd and rather silly to advertise products to such narrow and unique niche. I cannot imagine another company wanting to come up with products only for JWs to compete with that one.
And as I type, well, I'm thinking maybe not so fast. Maybe that company may want to expand their markets, maybe starting to sell and distribute other products, maybe aiming at enslaving JWs into buying pretty much everything else they sell. In that regard, if that's their vision, then the advertising works well to make JWs believe that they are a legitimate entity. Hmm, I wonder. I guess time will tell.
picture yourself as a member of the brooklyn bethel family on friday morning, october 2, 1914. you are seated at your usual place at the breakfast table, awaiting the arrival of brother c. t. russell.
suddenly the door to the dining room opens and brother russell appears.
he pauses for a moment, as is his custom, and greets the bethel family with a cheery “good morning, all.” but then, instead of immediately taking his place at the head of the table, he claps his hands and makes a thrilling announcement: “the gentile times have ended; their kings have had their day!” you can hardly contain your joy—you have been looking forward to this moment for a long time!
Waking up can be very disturbing, disorienting, but ultimately, empowering and enabling you to break free from the stench of religion. Rutherford unintentionally got one thing right:
"Religion is a snare and a racket"
Great thoughts. As I started reading I first thought that I needed to remind others of what was really happening at that time. Glad that your post turned out to be very informative and beautifully presented.
Love how you ended it too.
