What an interesting thread. Didn't know much about the WT current stance on the matter. So they are just brushing off the subject? That's kind of pathetic.
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No updated Watctower's articles on Evolution
by opusdei1972 inas far as i know, the "creation" book is out of print ?, am i right?.
well, i was searching for new watchtower articles trying to debunk, for instance, human evolution.
so, i did my homework, for the first time, so as to read past and updated papers and books on human evolution.
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Did Jesus really say: “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also”? (Mathew 5:39)
by anointed1 inif we apply to the above verse jesus’ own criterion (“every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit”—mathew 7:17) we will know that it is unlikely that jesus did say it.. when i practiced it, i found that i was encouraging others to slap (whether in its literal or figurative sense) me more and more.
the same is happening in large scale when countries practice tolerance.
we know many countries who “turn the other cheek” when attacked, and it only invites more trouble (which means jesus’ advice is counterproductive).. but see what happens if you return more than what you receive in view of the principle god himself follows.
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Did Jesus really say: “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also”? (Mathew 5:39)
Who knows, who cares.
What I say is "if anyone slaps me on the right cheek, (s)he will have a reminder of my second amendment right".
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Real Estate Business?
by no-zombie ini was going over some of the older posts of others and without starting some kind of flame war, i got no idea why people are saying that the society is some kind of real estate business.
of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event.
its down sizing by selling the furniture.
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...Of course its making millions of dollars in its real estate sales but this a one time event...
You're kidding, right? You really believe that they are going to stop milking that cow?
OUTLAW, you stole my line, but I'm glad. Time and time again I have been posting the same information. I have to say, cognitive dissonance is a --tch!
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Old article worth a read
by carla inhere is a link to an older article about jw's & mind control.
it appears to be from the time period when jw's were about 5 million and still had that extra meeting during the week.
i have no idea about the website in general, only found the article doing some research.
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I have a link from an organization that does research and provides support on mind control and high demand groups:
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Questions Surround Jehovah's Witness HQ and Allegations of Sex Abuse - REPORT FROM WNYC
by NikL inapologies if this has been posted before.... http://www.wnyc.org/story/watchtower-jehovahs-witness-headquarters-brooklyn/.
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Thanks for sharing.
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If the WT is a "money making machine"...who gets the money?
by NikL ini've seen claims over the years that wt is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.. can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?.
the governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?.
i've been curious about this for a while.
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I've seen claims over the years that WT is in the real estate, book publishing business and is a for profit enterprise at it's core.
My claim is fairly close to what you state, only I claim that they have always been a for profit enterprise. The changes they made are just changes in their obsolete business model and their processes to keep up with the times and focus on areas that continue to make them wealthy.
Can those of you that believe this to be the case tell me who benefits from all this wealth?
The boards, the GB, the president, the people who are in power, sign the legal documents, and officially represent the WT. Most importantly, the WT itself as a corporation. Please understand that in the capitalist system we live in, corporations as entities have power too. The WT itself is a perfect entity with money and power to be influential.
The governing body lives in relatively humble conditions no?
That's very difficult to say. There is their image that they have for the JWs, there are their lives and earnings in tax records, and then there's reality. They may or may not be living in humble conditions. Furthermore, they do not need to live extravagantly to enjoy their wealth. There's a perception that wealthy people are supposed to have a lot and show that they are wealthy in a way that some think is should be evident. That's far from truth.
I've been curious about this for a while. I believe that, yes the business does make lots of money, but profit is not the real goal as that would imply some "one" or "ones" would personally gain materially.
Yes and no (IMO). Yes because I believe that profit is only one of the goals, though I do believe that profit is a real goal. No, because it's not so far fetch to think that "one" or "ones" would personally gain materially. Why would that be so impossible? Again, people managing the corporation assets have access to all their money, and they can pretty much do whatever they feel like doing with it without having a cent under their names. They write the checks, they sign the contracts. They meet with the auditors (that is, if they actually get audited).
It is a mistake to think that the leadership of a cult is going to be transparent in all their actions. Some of the reasons why cults and controlling groups like the WT exist are not necessarily based on making one person or people rich. There's a lot more to it. I think it has to be seen from the perspective of what the typical gains are for cult leaders. Typically, these are the tings that they want:
- Money
- Power over other people
- Power over a community (being political or any other type of influential position)
- Feeding their egos
- Sex
- Fun over how far they can go with their charades (feeding their narcissism)
I wonder if you could elaborate more on your thoughts. What I mean is, I get the impression that it seems far fetch to you, that some people in the GB or their higher ups may be wealthy. What are your thoughts? Also, what would be an alternative reason, in your opinion? I ask in light that what they are doing looks pretty much like what all other companies in the world impacted by the changes in society are doing, that is, changing their focus, maximizing profit, downsizing labor and maintenance, and optimizing their space.
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1 bilion property revenue since august 2016 and still they have not enough
by Gorbatchov inread in the new york business review that jw.org made 1 bilion property revenue since august 2016.. unbelievable, isn't it?
they are one of the richest religion organizations in cash flow, for sure.. the co asked us this morning to "overthink wat we can share, to support the work and make jehovah happy".. g..
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The CO asked us this morning to "overthink wat we can share, to support the work and make Jehovah happy".
Though I'm sure you know what the CO means, it'll be great if you can play dumb and "reason" that making everyone in the congregation aware will make Jehovah happy. I wonder what their response will be.
It sure makes them look greedy by continually asking for more money.
They don't look greedy; they are greedy.
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Wishing a Wonderful New Year to All of You!
by clarity inat the beginning of this new year, i hope all those who have woken-up & stood up to the control & deception of the watchtower cult, realize what an amazing change you have accomplished.
congratulations.. i hope all who are exposing the wt be encouraged by the massive flood of those waking-up and then working shoulder to shoulder with you.. may this year 2017 bring many good things!..
xox.
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Thanks, clarity. Happy New Year.
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2017 - A new year
by no-zombie init hasn't been a good year for the organization.
let's hope 2017 will be just as bad or worse for it.
best wishes to all here, no-zombie.
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Well, 2016 has come and gone. It hasn't been a good year for the Organization. Let's hope 2017 will be just as bad or worse for it. Best wishes to all here, no-zombie.
I personally can't care less if they prosper or perish, but I just wish those poor souls being fooled by them get what they really need and leave.
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Watchtower's Illogical Teachings
by Vanderhoven7 injust writing down some notes to share with jws when i meet them.
here are a few of the problems of logic i see in their doctrines.
perhaps you can add to them.. systemic contradictions – jws boast about fighting for religious freedom – that is their freedom to share their differing views with people outside the organization - yet there is no freedom amongst members to disagree with any official teaching within the organization without the threat of losing friends and family.
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Just writing down some notes to share with JWs when I meet them. Here are a few of the problems of logic I see in their doctrines. Perhaps you can add to them.
The problems that I see when I talk to JWs are related to things that go beyond any logic or reason. Reasoning from a logical standpoint is not going to do much to brainwashed, indoctrinated people. The feelings that you get when you talk about them is what makes the hold on to their ridiculous believes.
In terms of doctrine I can add pretty much every single one of them since they are based on arbitrary interpretations of the bible. That alone dismisses any possible logic in anything they believe.