Posts by scratchme1010

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Thanksgiving Eve Sunset

by compound complex in

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Pale.Emperor Meets The Mormons

by pale.emperor in

when i was a jw i was fascinated with the mormon religion.

i never believed a word of it of course, but i was interested in their religion like most boys were interested in star wars.

i’ve read the book of mormon, doctrine & covenants, pearl of great price, book of abraham, watched their videos, read critical books by ex mormons etc etc… (strange at the time that i never did this with my own religion!

scratchme1010

Blacks in the church maybe? God living on a star called Kolob?

How about trying to get what's in it for them? Discussing their teachings and history I'm sure are things that they are very, very well prepared to debate, refute and ready to hear. Those things have been points of discussion in that religion for decades now.

Try asking them what is that makes them happy to be Mormons. Their testimonial may give you a clue as to the real reasons why they join. If they were raised in that religion, simply show them the size of the real world compared to what they have experienced, as a point to show them that they cannot say that the one and only thing they know is the one and only truth.

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I yelled at a Dub today!

by kairos in

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i was walking out of the store and i passed a former jw associate of 20+ years.

"keith"he was an elder, got df'd, lost his wife, got reinstated and last i heard started pioneering!so i see him as i'm walking to my parking spot.. i stop, look him straight in the face and yell from 20 feet away, "you're in a cult.

you're in a cult, dude!".

scratchme1010

Though I agree with AFRIKANMAN that your approach may not be the best in terms of them listening, who fucking cares? It's not your job to save people. That's part of the purpose of not being a JW. It's not your job to show others the light, and if there were your friends and now they aren't, it's because of them, not you.

I'm sure that you felt great after. To me, that's what matters.

In my experience, people who return after getting disfellowshipped have been people who seem to have a hard time coping with their lives, or live with a constant sense of fear about the world, or inadequacy about themselves. That excludes those who return to maintain relationships with JW loved ones.

I'd say if it makes you feel god, yell your heart out.

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The Pastorals

by Doug Mason in

all will be very familiar with:.

"all scripture is inspired by god and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness" (2 timothy 3:16, nrsv).

"we wait for the blessed hope and the manifestation of the glory of our great god and savior, jesus christ.

scratchme1010

Thanks. Great information.

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God is not the creator

by venus in

every theory (including darwin’s) primarily proves someone has to design a theory; every product primarily proves someone has to design it.

when neil armstrong and buzz aldrin landed on the moon it primarily proved intelligence of many people had to design that moon-mission.. 1) if every machine primarily proves someone designed it, then a much more complex, wonderful, and living machine with reproductive feature would mean the same: someone with corresponding ability, of higher energy, designed it because effect explains the cause just like harvest explains the sowing (whether you saw sowing or not).

science shows human body is like a complex machinery with many departments/systems (such as respiratory, digestive, cardiovascular/circulatory, renal/urinary, endocrine, nervous, musculoskeletal, integumentary/exocrine, lymphatic/immune, reproductive etc.

scratchme1010

Every theory (including Darwin’s) primarily proves someone has to design a theory

No, it doesn't.

When Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the moon it primarily proved intelligence of many people had to design that moon-mission.

According to who and how? Show me the evidence of that.

If every machine primarily proves someone designed it, then a much more complex, wonderful, and living machine with reproductive feature would mean the same...

Absolutely correct, except for the fact that the universe is not a machine.

Science shows human body is like a complex machinery...

Science shows human body is like a complex machinery...

And this is everybody’s experience: when something spiritual enters, body [in the womb] starts functioning, and when it exits body stops functioning, which means something not physical, a spirit factor, is more important than body parts!

Nonsense. First, that's not my experience, and second, how's that supposed to prove anything?

That means there is an invisible spirit entity that hold all the parts, organs and body systems

Nope, it does not mean that. You quote a dictionary and then try to tell what the dictionary means. More nonsense. The rest of your number 2 item, as evidence of any kind of creation is exactly that, a number 2.

One’s normal state is joy.

Well, the director of my department at work didn't get that email. You can tell that bitch hasn't gotten some in quite some time. Joy is certainly not her normal state.

A person in this state of joy is in harmony within and without by just being aware of the present moment, which attracts good relationship towards him. His life is simple—he learns from the past, plans for the future but lives in/enjoys the present.

Until there's a mass shooting, republicans take over government, your neighbor sues you, some racist asshole treats you like shit, and some JW comes to your house while you are filing your taxes that you have to pay with yet another credit card. Sure, life is very, very simple (I'm being sarcastic, just in case). Also, I can tell that you don't take the NYC subway.

Wake up sweetie, life sucks, and the way we live today proves the theory of survival of the species more so than ever in the history of mankind.

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Are Beards becoming more acceptable due to decline in membership?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i noticed a young brother with a beard being given more privelages within our hall.

when he first grew his beard, he lost his privelages.

but more and more recently he has been helping out a lot more.. the cobe is old school and a stickler for rules, but with the hall becoming more empty these days, and the need for young brothers, he seems to have relaxed on this particular watchtower/man made rule.

scratchme1010

Are Beards becoming more acceptable due to decline in membership?

Yes.

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Does This Site Ever Change The Mind of “Spiritual “ Jehovah’s Witnesses?

by minimus in

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do you think witnesses who come here believe that in fact they don’t have the truth, after all.

or are we just preaching to the choir?

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Do you think Witnesses who come here believe that in fact they don’t have the Truth, after all. Or are we just preaching to the choir??

For some bizarre reason, people constantly neglect to think about all the reasons why a person starts waking up from the JWs. Believing in their teachings is only part of what they have to do. Yes, there are people who find that the WT is full of nonsense after taking a closer objective look at what they said/say, but there are others who lurk around for other reasons.

Many people here and lurking are not here because they found some discrepancy in something they taught/teach. There are a few reasons, other than doctrine related:

They feel isolated and shunned in spite of them doing everything they are required to do
They face hard decisions involving relationships, career, marriage, health, habits, or mental health, and feel no support from their fellow JWs or the elders
They have been mistreated by their peers and/or their leadership and are hurt
Intervention from a loved one who they cannot say that they distrust
Disillusionment with the state of the WT, their congregations or their own situations (i.e., they still do not feel happy, their situation is not better, still addicted, still depressed, still... you get the hang of it)
Personality conflicts that may escalate; political infighting
Boredom (the excitement over "having the truth" is over)
Negative media exposure grows their curiosity
The wealth of rationalizations finally collapses; cognitive dissonance stops dissonating
Desperation, they are broke to the bone and their "Jehovah" isn't providing

None of those things have anything to do with believing. In fact, many people here who are very clear about not wanting to be JWs still harbor feelings and some of their believes, even though they cannot remotely entertain the idea of themselves as JWs again.

We might be redundant with some people, but I believe that places like this forum does a lot of great work to people who otherwise may not have any other sources of information.

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Anyone know anything about this group?

by Moster in

just wondering what anyone knows about this group:.

http://www.kingdomherald.ro/beliefs/.

scratchme1010

Looks like another religious group. Nope.

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

scratchme1010

Can anyone give me a valid reason for it? Growing old is a drag. The witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a BS answer.

Not only I cannot give you a valid, solid, educated and/or reasonable answer, but I can assure you that I would never like living forever with the disgusting JW people I grew surrounded with, up until I became a man.

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Watchtower Corporation And Cart Witnessing And A Plethora of Child Molestion Lawsuits

by Brokeback Watchtower in

think about this new mode(cart work) of keeping the rank & file busy with theocratic/self indoctrinating pursuits instead of door to door work which might put them in more financial jeopardy if one of their congregation's free roaming pedophiles uses this as an opportunity to molest an interested person at the doors.

i think the watchtower corporation is in some serious doo doo and wants to limit their legal liability as much as fucking possible, if they still have half a brain that is and not suffering from some severe form of dementia(which you never know being that they are suffering from tremendous brain shrinkage being that they are leaders in a fundamentalist mind control cult which prays upon fear and ignorance and most likely missing a lot of cards in their deck if you know what i mean).. i'm thinking if these guys are only half braindead from the bull shit they sign off on to be printed in their publications they must be able to see the tremendous damage financially that the mandatory door to door work for corporate interest poses if some brazen pedophile uses this situation to satisfy some primal urge.

but you never know these guys on the governing body of la la land must be on some serious meds to be functioning these days so only time will tell..

scratchme1010

I think the Watchtower Corporation is in some serious doo doo...

The only thing I disagree in your post. The WT is not in serious doo doo; they are doo doo.