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  WORD ASSOCIATION

  by nicolaou in

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  need a break from the project (and just plain missing you all!).

  so who's up for a little light relief in the form of a good old game of 'word association'?.

  i'll kick us off with a word and you simply post your reply highlighting the first word you thought of - and so on and so on and so on ........ nic'.

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  ...spoils useful habits.
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  What's the big deal?

  by MuzicmanCa in

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  i am just going to play devil's advocate here for a second since i need help reasoning something out again.

  i think i have the answer, but i just need to do this outloud and hear some responses to make sure i am clear on this particular issue.. i remember once, when i first came across a lengthy write-up on the faulty reasoning the wts used to come up with the whole 1914 thing, i was having dinner with an older bro who, at the time, was a very close friend of mine.

  i asked him directly just how valid the date was and if what i was reading on the internet had any credibility.

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  I think a far more radical change than dropping 1914 would be dropping it with an apology, or even an admission that they ever taught otherwise. Every single time in the past it seem that, if a change is acknowledged, it's blamed on "brothers and sisters who got carried away", and the new scriptural rationalization is the only possible way intelligent people could ever have viewed the subject. (We've always been at war with Eastasia.)

  I think it will be quite instructive as to the potential future survival of the organization when they make their first real apology in connection with a flash of new light. I unfortunately do not think that will be anytime in the near future...

  -T.
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  How Many States / Countrys Are Represented Here?

  by Big Jim in

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  i am from houston texas myself.

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  Southern California, currently the "Greater" LA area.

  -T., who plans on ceasing to be a lifelong Californian as soon as possible
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  Song - 112 "Then they will know"

  by Simon in

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  song - 112 "then they will know".

  (as sung by the gb).

  long have our foes been trying to expose.

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  Hey joelbear,

  This was my absolute favorite song when I was little too. My mother got mad at me once for belting it out in the middle of a grocery store at age 4 or so.

  I like Simon's version better.

  -T.
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  Why Are You Here?

  by larc in

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  the question, "why are you here?

  " is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.

  however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.

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  I am here because it took reading other people's experiences and research online to get rid of that last niggling little fear that maybe the witnesses had something after all. I want to be one more voice saying that they don't. (Which is also why I have my small little web site.)

  I loved the great debates of yestermonth when there were large hot-headed debates on religion and witness doctrine and organizational history and mistakes and moral dilemmas like capital punishment, because even though tempers flew they still felt like good clean debates. I am not so happy about the current set of topics cluttering up the board, perhaps because they are more general and refer to issues which society as a whole gets passionately and irrationally inflamed over. But I guess it may simply be that, though we once were all witnesses, now we are returning to where we would have stood on the controversial issues had we never heard of the witnesses. And I would be hard pressed to say that is altogether a bad thing, preferring honest ugliness to deceitful hypocrisy. (But only just.)

  I do think that there are far more good things about this board than there are bad. People need a place to come where people will understand what they've been through, and I hope that I can help them, even a little bit, with my words. A lot of people here, more than I could name in my previous "compliment a poster" post, have helped me.

  Plus, it's something to do when I need a break at work .

  -T.
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  R&F at fault for Armaggedon delay

  by truman in

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  well, another issue of the wt came today, aug 15,2001. and again it has some statements which piqued my ire, so i thought i would share a couple.. on pg.28, paragraph 14, in the study article titled 'do not give up in doing what is fine'is the following:.

  "remember too, that 'jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed, but desires all to attain to repentance.

  ' (2 peter3:9) notice, god is 'patient with you'--members of the christian congregation.

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  Of course they're at fault, truman. The stupid sheep just won't do what they're told. I mean, the Watchtower writers have been patient with them, told them everything they need to do and not do down to the number and location of body piercings to which blood fractions they need to die over today. But do they listen? Noooo, they persist in holding up the greatest battle in history and the slaughter of billions - all because they think they don't want to spend every vacation knocking on people's doors with cheap literature. It's hardly fair to everyone who has been faithful in all of these dictates (well, as faithful as their responsibilities permit) - such as, for instance, the aforementioned hardworking Watchtower writers. Lousy ingrates.

  -T.
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  144,000 Are Replacing Fallen POSTERS!.

  by Englishman in

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  do you know who i miss reading on this site?.

  well, i miss bruce, who always made the same post about the 144,000 replacing the fallen angels.

  he was a real gent who's probably found out if his theory was correct by now.

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  Well, he hasn't been gone that long, but I miss Focus...
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  Just a little comedy to brighten up your I-Day

  by slipnslidemaster in

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  http://members.aol.com/cygnus97/index/sounds/onlygo.wav.

  slipnslidemaster: "do, or do not.

  - yoda

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  Heehee, that was a good one :) Utterly, completely tasteless... which is why I was laughing for a good minute or more.

  -T.
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  Need Assistance re Judge R

  by Maximus in

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  just received a telephone call from a non-jw close friend who does not post on the board.

  for some time he has been writing a very detailed biography of judge rutherford that will be meticulously documented.

  he's spent many weeks visiting the judge's roots in missouri and elsewhere, with very informative results.

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  Maximus,

  Here's one I remember reading about this (sorry, don't know anything about it myself):

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=2417&site=3

  -T.
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  Can I count a placement?

  by tergiversator in

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  so, here i was, reading through the posts on this board, when the conversation of the two people next door caught my attention.

  "do jehovah's witnesses drink alcohol?

  " one of the girls asked the other one.

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  So, here I was, reading through the posts on this board, when the conversation of the two people next door caught my attention. "Do Jehovah's Witnesses drink alcohol?" one of the girls asked the other one. So I had to jump in.

  It turns out that both of them work in a biology lab with a lady who recently became a Witness. She's one of those obnoxious new ones, too. (My Hindu friend was quite amused and indignant that she had been given some "pamphlets".) From what I can tell, this lady is not putting on the new personality and is giving a very bad witness. They even asked me if witnesses were supposed to be diligent workers. Heehee. And what is this sister doing working in a lab that does research on aging and uses techniques that assume you believe in evolution?

  So we talked for what I would round up to an hour of service time about the crrraaaaaazy beliefs of the witnesses (as the one girl put it, "I'm always suspicious of a group that refers to themselves as 'the truth'"), and I ended up the conversation by lending her my copy of In Search of Christian Freedom to place prominently on her desk at work if she so desires. I promised to send her websites and loan her Crisis of Conscience if Amazon will ever get it to me. Since she lives next door, I'm sure I will have plenty of chances for return visits.

  But I have a problem: I haven't been out in service in a year and a half. Where do I send my report to?

  -T., who always finds it amusing how ludicrous other people find the "truth"