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  You Know - Your Wrong

  by Amazing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know: we have not echanged net fluids lately, so forgive my ... shal we say ... explosive!

  nature.

  history is not at any great turning point.

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  You Know,

  As for enjoying sharing my doomsday views, I would have to say that I do, for the simple reason that it is the truth that the system is doomed. That's what it's all about---the truth.

  You say, you ENJOY sharing a "doomsday" message, do you?

  That shows real spiritual "immaturity" on your part.

  You see, when Jehovah chose a "prophet", he always proved to be someone who always felt compassion and pity for the people, in their fallen condition. So UNLIKE you, "You know".

  The Divinely chosen-prophets of old were the kind of people that had real feelings for people. They "felt pity for the people," even cried over the fallen state of the nation. They "wept" for the lost souls, as Jesus did. I don't recall Prophets ever "rejoicing" over a message from God, that spoke of "doom" for the people. (Lamentations 1:15, 16; Matthew 9:36; Luke 19:41, 42)

  That would be totally INAPPROPRIATE. That's tantamount to rejoicing over the "fall" of the wicked, which was strictly forbidden in the Law Covenant. I can't imagine a prophet showing up to deliver a "message of doom" from God, with a BIG FAT SMILE OF GLEE upon his face. Can you?

  Also in Christians times, Paul showed spiritual "maturity" when he "wept" over former "brothers" who had now become "enemies of Christ". (Phil. 3:18) How does that compare with your "mental inclination" on open display on JW.Com Discussion Board? (Phillipians 3:15-18)

  "You Know", you are already at the "doorstep" of disaster. For, the next thing we will hear from your mouth is that you are the FIRST PROPHET of Jehovah, that actually ENJOYS seeing the "DOOM" administered upon the wicked? That would be a first for even you. (Proverbs 24:17, 18; Ezekiel 33:11)

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  You Know - Your Wrong

  by Amazing in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you know: we have not echanged net fluids lately, so forgive my ... shal we say ... explosive!

  nature.

  history is not at any great turning point.

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  You Know:

  There is a considerable portion of prophecy that Jehovah has held in reserve, which the Watchtower has never understood, and hence never clearly explained to you so that you might understand it. Like Jesus, I praise Jehovah for hiding these things in his word. So, while I would never share my private spiritual treasures with you, I will point out how many current analysts recognize the terminal nature of the present system. Since, from my standpoint the future is determined by Jehovah’s every utterance and can be verified by projecting current trends and the observations of astute observers.

  Would you say Jehovah has "singled" you out. I mean, do you think Jehovah is communicating with you ALONE, revealing this "hidden" information, or do you imagine he is miraculously revealing it to all of the faithful "remnant" of anointed who exist OUTSIDE Brooklyn Bethel?

  Also, if God is revealing special "information" to you (and perhaps others of an "elite" grouping), does this signal or hint in your mind his thorough disapproval of the GB "anointed" and leaders at Headquarters Staff in NY?

  Your opinion please.

  tfs
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  Who was to blame for the blunder of 1975?

  by trykkleif in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  harmageddon was supposed to occur in the fall of 1975, but nothing happened.

  who should have taken the blame?

  the gb?

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  tfs

  This was posted back on January 8th, 2002 on "Main" Forum.

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  Its a Fact:

  The WTS cleverly and insiduously "pushed" the date of 1975 on the congregation of JWs. This is especially true since the year of 1968 and the release of the "blue bomb" or "Truth" book, which finally totalled in circulation over 100 million copies in some 115 languages worldwide.

  This book, "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life", overtly shows the WTS actually pointed to and "pushed" the date of 1975 upon the JWs worldwide.

  As many recall, with the release of this book JWs were urged to resort to a limited time frame of up to a maximum of 6 months of Bible study with persons of interest. Why? Because "time was so short". We were too close to Armageddon to waste time anymore with "unproductive" Bible studies.

  Those who were JWs before 1968 know that, PRIOR to this, persons of interest could study with JWs for years on end, year in and year out, without really making any progress toward baptism. And this was acceptable. But, after the release of this book in 1968, this all changed.

  Bible studies could now be stopped or "dropped" after less than 2 months or so of study, if no genuine "interest" in the message was detected by the teacher, and no real progress toward baptism as a disciple was being made. The WTS said, "drop the study", if no progress was being made, at least within a "6-month" period of time.

  With the release of this information, a new urgency and vitality was infused into JWs, pointing forward to the date of 1975. Baptismal figures from 1969-1974 show this to be the case, with an unheard of, unprecedented total of close to 3 hundred thousand new recruits being baptized in 1974 alone (297,872 baptized).

  This large increase in numbers can be directly accredited and attributed to the WTS' new 6-month "drop'em-or-baptism'em-'fore-75" policy since 1968 and the release of the "Truth" book.
  
  The following quote is proof of that. First the original quote made back in 1968, 7 years before 1975.

  "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" page 9, par. 9 -- 1968 edition

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what's going on to assure you, IN FIFTEEN YEARS FROM TODAY [or in 1975], this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Now, the newer, revised version of the same "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" book, revised since the year of 1975, [1981 edition]

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that SOON "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Why the change in the quote? What's the difference in the two different quotes?

  If the WTS was not pushing the date of 1975, why revise the original quotation of the politician, which definitely points to the date of 1975 as being significant and worthy of note?

  This quote-change is actual proof and evidence of the WTS' clever behind-the-scenes pushing of the date of 1975 on the JWs before 1975. Then, after nothing occurs in 1975, they systematically act to remove their "paper trail" of guilt. They remove any strand and/or trace of incriminating evidence "left-behind" in the original publication which could possibly be used at a future date, as proof that they "pushed" a date, and of their being the false prophets they actually are.

  TheFalseprophetSlayer (tfs)

  *Dean Acheson's quote taken from U.S. News & World Report, June 13, 1960, pp. 116, 119

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  Scandals - a Blessing To All

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  no doubt many 'loyal' witnesses view publicity about molestation.

  and the u.n. with horror.. in reality,such scandals may become a blessing to all.. a widespread exposure of the watchtower society could bring about.

  many good changes.

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  tfs

  Thereafter, Watchtower Farms land would be sown with salt and
  their name transformed eternally into a blackened curse....

  ISAIAH 65:15

  "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen; for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name." [King James Version]

  "And you will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones, And the Lord God will slay you, But My servants will be called by another name." [New American Standard]

  "You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse; the Sovereign Lord will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name." [New International Version]

  tfs [The Falseprophet Slayer]
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  Wheat & Weeds ??? For You Know

  by tfs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my question goes back to a statement made by yourself on dec. 11th.. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17150&site=3.

  matthew 13 illustration of the wheat and weeds.

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  tfs

  So you are still in Babylon the Great. Right?

  tfs
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  Wheat & Weeds ??? For You Know

  by tfs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my question goes back to a statement made by yourself on dec. 11th.. .

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17150&site=3.

  matthew 13 illustration of the wheat and weeds.

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  tfs

  Hi You Know:

  My question goes back to a statement made by yourself on Dec. 11th.

  . http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17150&site=3

  Someone said to you:

  Matthew 13 Illustration of the Wheat and weeds. Jesus says NOT to separate them by human means but to let the ANGELS do so at the very conclusion of this system.

  To which you said:

  "Wrong III! Jesus' parable had nothing to do with shunning. It was an illustration to show how Christ will ultimately judge between those who are his disciples and those who pretend to be. That judgment will extent far beyong the confines of the congregation to include the weed-like individuals who Satan has misled into imagining that they are going to heaven."

  If the above statement you made is true, and the separation of the "wheat" & "weeds" are in the future and will include the churches of christendom as "weeds" beyond the scope and "confines" of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, then how did the "International Bible Students" under CT Russell "get out of Babylon the Great" and summarily "separate themselves" as a "wheat-like" organization "into God's storehouse" of safety without the supernatural intervention of Jesus Christ back in the late 1800s? (Matt. 13:24-30)

  Did this occur? This is what CT Russell believed and taught as older WTS literature reveals.

  In short, do you believe Jesus Christ himself "separated" the "wheat & weeds" back then, when CT Russell broke free of the churches of christendom in the late 1800s or not? (Matt. 13:24-30)

  What is your opinion?

  tfs
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  Proof! WTS Pushed 1975 Date on JWs

  by tfs in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  its a fact:.

  the wts cleverly and insiduously "pushed" the date of 1975 on the congregation of jws.

  this is especially true since the year of 1968 and the release of the "blue bomb" or "truth" book, which finally totalled in circulation over 100 million copies in some 115 languages worldwide.

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  tfs

  Its a Fact:

  The WTS cleverly and insiduously "pushed" the date of 1975 on the congregation of JWs. This is especially true since the year of 1968 and the release of the "blue bomb" or "Truth" book, which finally totalled in circulation over 100 million copies in some 115 languages worldwide.

  This book, "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life", overtly shows the WTS actually pointed to and "pushed" the date of 1975 upon the JWs worldwide.

  As many recall, with the release of this book JWs were urged to resort to a limited time frame of up to a maximum of 6 months of Bible study with persons of interest. Why? Because "time was so short". We were too close to Armageddon to waste time anymore with "unproductive" Bible studies.

  Those who were JWs before 1968 know that, PRIOR to this, persons of interest could study with JWs for years on end, year in and year out, without really making any progress toward baptism. And this was acceptable. But, after the release of this book in 1968, this all changed.

  Bible studies could now be stopped or "dropped" after less than 2 months or so of study, if no genuine "interest" in the message was detected by the teacher, and no real progress toward baptism as a disciple was being made. The WTS said, "drop the study", if no progress was being made, at least within a "6-month" period of time.

  With the release of this information, a new urgency and vitality was infused into JWs, pointing forward to the date of 1975. Baptismal figures from 1969-1974 show this to be the case, with an unheard of, unprecedented total of close to 3 hundred thousand new recruits being baptized in 1974 alone (297,872 baptized).

  This large increase in numbers can be directly accredited and attributed to the WTS' new 6-month "drop'em-or-baptism'em-'fore-75" policy since 1968 and the release of the "Truth" book.
  
  The following quote is proof of that. First the original quote made back in 1968, 7 years before 1975.

  "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" page 9, par. 9 -- 1968 edition

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what's going on to assure you, IN FIFTEEN YEARS FROM TODAY [or in 1975], this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Now, the newer, revised version of the same "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" book, revised since the year of 1975, [1981 edition]

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that SOON "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Why the change in the quote? What's the difference in the two different quotes?

  If the WTS was not pushing the date of 1975, why revise the original quotation of the politician, which definitely points to the date of 1975 as being significant and worthy of note?

  This quote-change is actual proof and evidence of the WTS' clever behind-the-scenes pushing of the date of 1975 on the JWs before 1975. Then, after nothing occurs in 1975, they systematically act to remove their "paper trail" of guilt. They remove any strand and/or trace of incriminating evidence "left-behind" in the original publication which could possibly be used at a future date, as proof that they "pushed" a date, and of their being the false prophets they actually are.

  TheFalseprophetSlayer (tfs)

  *Dean Acheson's quote taken from U.S. News & World Report, June 13, 1960, pp. 116, 119
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  to YOYO re: watchtower as a prophet

  by dubla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i started this new thread as you requested.

  we were discussing the various dates of armageddon, predicted by the wt.......ill start with your quote:.

  the brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand bible chronology and prophesy.

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  Hi all,

  The WTS cleverly and insiduously "pushed" the date of 1975 on the congregation of JWs. This is especially true since the year of 1968 and the release of the "blue bomb" or "Truth" book, which finally totalled in circulation over 100 million copies in some 115 languages worldwide.

  This book, "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life", overtly shows the WTS actually pointed to and "pushed" the date of 1975 upon the JWs worldwide.

  As many recall, with the release of this book JWs were urged to resort to a limited time frame of up to a maximum of 6 months of Bible study with persons of interest. Why? Because "time was so short". We were too close to Armageddon to waste time anymore with "unproductive" Bible studies.

  Those who were JWs before 1968 know that, PRIOR to this, persons of interest could study with JWs for years on end, year in and year out, without really making any progress toward baptism. And this was acceptable. But, after the release of this book in 1968, this all changed.

  Bible studies could now be stopped or "dropped" after less than 2 months or so of study, if no genuine "interest" in the message was detected by the teacher, and no real progress toward baptism as a disciple was being made. The WTS said, "drop the study", if no progress was being made, at least within a "6-month" period of time.

  With the release of this information, a new urgency and vitality was infused into JWs, pointing forward to the date of 1975. Baptismal figures from 1969-1974 show this to be the case, with an unheard of, unprecedented total of close to 3 hundred thousand new recruits being baptized in 1974 alone (297,872 baptized).

  This large increase in numbers can be directly accredited and attributed to the WTS' new 6-month "drop'em-or-baptism'em-'fore-75" policy since 1968 and the release of the "Truth" book.
  
  The following quote is proof of that. First the original quote made back in 1968, 7 years before 1975.

  "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" page 9, par. 9 -- 1968 edition

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what's going on to assure you, IN FIFTEEN YEARS FROM TODAY [or in 1975], this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Now, the newer, revised version of the same "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life" book, revised since the year of 1975, [1981 edition]

  "...Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that SOON "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in."

  Why the change in the quote? What's the difference in the two different quotes?

  If the WTS was not pushing the date of 1975, why revise the original quotation of the politician, which definitely points to the date of 1975 as being significant and worthy of note?

  This quote-change is actual proof and evidence of the WTS' clever behind-the-scenes pushing of the date of 1975 on the JWs before 1975. Then, after nothing occurs in 1975, they systematically act to remove their "paper trail" of guilt. They remove any strand and/or trace of incriminating evidence "left-behind" in the original publication which could possibly be used at a future date, as proof that they "pushed" a date, and of their being the false prophets they actually are.

  tfs

  *Dean Acheson's quote taken from U.S. News & World Report, June 13, 1960, pp. 116, 119
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  IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

  it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

  one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

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  You Know,

  JF Rutherford wrote,

  "Certain duties and kingdom interests have been committed by the Lord to his ANGELS, which include the TRANSMISSION OF INFORMATION to God's anointed people on the earth for their aid and comfort. Even though we cannot understand how THE ANGELS TRANSMIT THIS INFORMATION, we know that they do it. (Preparation, 1933, pp. 36, 37.)"

  Therefore based upon what he stated above, if God's Angels are involved in the "transmission of information" to the WTS, this is Divine inspiration. The Bible says the "Law was TRANSMITTED by angels" to Moses, God's mediator. (Acts 7:53; Gal. 3:19)

  Also, John on the Isle of Patmos received the "Revelation" as transmitted to him by "angels" miraculously.

  "And he sent forth his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John..." (Rev. 1:2)

  Judge Rutherford is above making the same claim.

  As proof that this above claim is still current and acceptable thinking in WTS-land, even today JWs speak of the anointed remnant aka FD&S as being the 20th century "John class" in their literature. In this capacity they act as God's "Channel" to all mankind and to the JW congregation earthwide.

  "God had a channel for communicating Revelation in John's day, and John was the earthly part of that channel. Likewise, God has a channel for giving spiritual nourishment to his slaves today...Jesus identified the earthly part of this channel as the the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics..." (Revelation Grand Climax pp. 16, 6)

  Angels "transmitted" the Divine message of "Revelation" to John. This makes the apostle John an "inspired" instrument in God's hands. The WTS quote above by JF Rutherford is making the same claim. No reasonable person would be able to distinguish or see any differentiation at all in whats claimed above in what Rutherford said in WTS literature in practical terms, and what you have referred to them being. In essense a NONinspired, "spirit-directed" agency for Christ.

  From my perspective, I submit, a bible study or newly baptized JW would not be able to discern this, nor explain it to someone else. The way you explain it is much to complex and complicated, as follows:

  Please, read my question again, carefully. Here, I will re-word it for you: If the angels have transmitted extra-biblical information into the minds of Jehovah's Witnesses, in the form of a prophecy or whatever, please explain to me what these transmissions consist of? Everything I have ever read in the Watchtower is fully acreditted as coming from the Bible...I can't recall ever coming across anything that the Watchtower attributed to direct divine transmission.

  What Judge Rutherford wrote above contradicts that thought.

  I explained how God's spirit and angels can direct us in the path of the truth. Angels could be said to lead us to discover Biblical truth, as in the early days of the Bible Students...surely there must be some evidence of these extra-biblical communications in the Watchtower archives somewhere?

  I think you will find the following, an outstanding example of either angelic transmitted "Biblical truth" discovered "in the early days of the Bible Students", or regrettably, an "extra-biblical communication in Watchtower archives" evidently NOT coming from God. You decide.
  
  Taken from the JW 1975 Yearbook pp. 75, 2-3.

  "The World", New York city newspaper wrote the article "End of All Kingdoms in 1914." There it was stated in part, "The terrific war outbreak in Europe has fulfilled an extraordinary prophecy. For a quarter of a century past, through preachers, and through press, the International Bible Students, best known as Millenial Dawners, have been proclaiming to the world that the Day of Wrath prophesied in the Bible would dawn in 1914. 'Look out for 1914!' has been the cry of the hundreds of travelling eveangelists who, representing this strange creed.."

  "...Charles T. Russell is the man who has been propounding this interpretation of the Scriptures, since 1874...In view of this strong Bible evidence, Rev. Russell wrote in 1889,

  "we consider it an ESTABLISHED TRUTH that the FINAL END of the kingdoms of this world and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (1975 JWs Yearbook pp. 75, 3)

  An "established truth"?

  To Yo YoMama:

  The brothers were not predicting, but trying to understand Bible chronology and prophesy....they were not telling the brothers what to believe."

  The above is a "prediction", bold enough to be written about in a newspaper in New York. Since the world recognized this message as being propounded for many years prior to 1914 by CT Russell & associates, they gave them exclusive credit for it.

  At You Know's request, this information is taken from Watchtower archives. Honestly, was this an extra-biblical "established truth" transmitted by Angels to the "John class"?

  Or, a message from man alone?

  Based on the above, shall we say the WTS is the 20th century equivalent of apostle John, God's channel, acting the part of the "John class"?

  tfs
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  IS THE WATCHTOWER A FALSE PROPHET?

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when jesus was on earth the devil approached him quoting scripture in order to tempt and entrap him.

  it is no wonder then that the apostate angel would be behind the effort to use the scriptures against jehovahs people today in order to mislead them.

  one of the most cunning and effective uses of scripture against us by satans agents is the charge that we are false prophets.

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  You Know,

  Please reread and carefully consider the following quote from the WTS that "AF" gave you.

  "Certain duties and kingdom interests have been committed by the Lord to his angels, which include the TRANSMISSION OF INFORMATION to God's anointed people on the earth for their aid and comfort. Even though we cannot understand how the angels TRANSMIT THIS INFORMATION, we know that they do it. (Preparation, 1933, pp. 36, 37.)"

  The Bible says the "Law was TRANSMITTED by angels" to Moses, God's mediator. That's inspiration. (Acts 7:53; Gal. 3:19)

  Exactly what is said above. Do you not see what is said here?

  This is the claim of the WTS to the general public and to all JWs. The above statement is an obvious claim of inspiration from God.

  After all is said and done, if you cannot for the life of you perceive, comprehend or recognize what the above statement is saying, then its a safe bet to say you are quite possibly insane.

  tfs