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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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Sleep well, Vidqun!

For when you wake up again...

In Revelation, it is the false prophet (Anglo-America) that breathes life into the UN. The UN is an extension of the Anglo-American world power.

In Daniel chapter 2, the feet of iron and clay come out of the Roman power. The UN comes out of the US/UK which is out of the Roman power.

In Daniel chapter 7, the fourth beast is Rome. The horns are the nations descended from the Roman power. The three horns of Austria-Hungary, Italy, and Germany were humiliated by the Allies/LeagueNations/UN with treaties that stripped them of power/land/control after the world wars.

"As for the ten horns, ten kings will rise up out of that kingdom; and still another one will rise up after them, and he will be different from the first ones, and he will humiliate three kings. He will speak words against the Most High, and he will continually harass the holy ones of the Supreme One. He will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. But the Court sat, and they took away his rulership, in order to annihilate him and to destroy him completely." (Daniel 7:24-26)

The UN world power is different from the other kingdoms. The UN world power will be allowed to attack religion for time, times and half a time. The UN power will be in place when the God's kingdom comes at the end of the 3 1/2 times and destroys all governments in opposition to God's kingdom.

In Daniel chapter 8, the small horn initially is the US/UK but it becomes the UN.

"And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings will stand up. His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones. And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand." (Daniel 8:23-25)

The UN leader will become "great, but not through his own power." He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way during the great tribulation when he, as the head of the UN, authorizes the attack on all religious institutions. Jesus will see that the UN leader is "broken without human hand" at the end of the appointed times of the nations, namely, the three and a half times of the great tribulation.

Daniel chapter 11:44,45 is talking about Putin. He is coming to his end, and there is no helper for him. Daniel 12:1 says that "During that time" (namely, while Putin is coming to his end) "Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time." In other words, during the time we are now living it, Jesus will take the throne in heaven. The great tribulation will begin after Jesus throws Satan out of heaven, as is stated in Revelation.

"It will be for an appointed time, appointed times, and half a time. As soon as the dashing to pieces of the power of the holy people comes to an end, all these things will come to their finish." (Daniel 12:7)

In Luke 21:24 Jesus referred to this time, times and half a time as the appointed times of the nations. "And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled."

When the 3 1/2 years of the great tribulation is over, in other words, when the UN has had their day to prove that human governments without religious institutions are completely unable to solve the world's problems, then Jesus will come and save the day.

"“Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” With that he told them an illustration: “Notice the fig tree and all the other trees. When they are budding, you see it for yourselves and know that now the summer is near. Likewise also you, when you see these things happening, know that the Kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." (Luke 21:25-33)

The "generation" of faithful ones that sees the beginning of the tribulation will live to see the end of it, because it is only 3 1/2 years.

The verses in Revelation about the 42 months are also talking about the UN trampling on religion for the 3 1/2 years. True worshippers will be affected by the cruelty of the UN.

"But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months." (Revelation 11:2)

"And they worshipped the dragon because it gave the authority to the wild beast, and they worshipped the wild beast with the words: “Who is like the wild beast, and who can do battle with it?” It was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to act for 42 months. And it opened its mouth in blasphemies against God to blaspheme his name and his dwelling place, even those residing in heaven. It was permitted to wage war with the holy ones and conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." (Revelation 13:4-7)

"If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is meant for captivity, he will go into captivity. If anyone will kill with the sword, he must be killed with the sword. This is where it calls for endurance and faith on the part of the holy ones." (Revelation 13:9,10)

Jesus will give us the strength we need when we need it. Love for him and for God and for each other will help us endure.

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Emails reveal Jehovah's Witnesses response to child sex abuse allegations (FOX43)

by Tahoe in

https://www.fox43.com/article/news/local/jehovahs-witnesses-emails-child-sex-abuse-allegations/521-d7ead034-ae47-4451-82e4-337190539602.

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After reporting abuse by the COBE/HLC brother and domestic abuse by my husband, I was banned from the KH and then disfellowshipped. Some emails between me and the elders and a transcript of one of the "shepherding calls" are on the other links above. The links below are audio recordings of phone messages left by the PD and the chairman of the judicial hearing.

Audio recording of phone call from Auburn PD regarding one day lift of ban...

https://youtu.be/M9rPbSlex30

Audio recording of phone call from judicial hearing chairman...

https://youtu.be/ULB2uktiKsY

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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(As far as "evenings and mornings" goes...the scriptural precedent was set in Genesis..."there was an Evening and there was a Morning, one day". There was no mention of "afternoon".)

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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Daniel 8:23-25

"And in the final part of their kingdom, as the transgressors act to a completion, a fierce-looking king who understands ambiguous sayings will stand up."

The UN leader is the king referred to here.

"His power will become great, but not through his own power. He will bring ruin in an extraordinary way, and he will be successful and act effectively. He will bring mighty ones to ruin, also the people made up of the holy ones."

The UN will attack religious institutions, which will also affect faithful individuals.

"And by his cunning he will use deception to succeed; and in his heart he will exalt himself; and during a time of security he will bring many to ruin. He will even stand up against the Prince of princes, but he will be broken without human hand."

At the end of the great tribulation, Jesus will come and put an end to the rulership of the UN leader, and all the other world leaders.

The progression of world powers is described in parallel accounts at Daniel chapter 2, Daniel chapter 7, Daniel chapter 8, Daniel chapters 11 and 12, and in Revelation.

When taken all together, it is clear that the UN will be the dominant world power for 3 1/2 years during the time Jesus has received the kingdom in heaven.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

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Why won't you just talk about the Bible without recommending articles?

"We did not say ..."

Who is this "we"? Are you a borg like JWborg too?

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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Evening is half a day.

Morning is half a day.

2,300 x (half a day) = 1,150 days

(Daniel 8:13,14, the 2,300 evenings and mornings is 1,150 days.)

The 1,150 days is just a point during the 3 1/2 years.

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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"It was not because you were the most numerous of all the peoples that Jehovah showed affection for you and chose you, for you were the smallest of all the peoples." (Deuteronomy 7:7)

There is no group that is too small to be noticed by Jehovah. Any group that claims to represent Him is certainly noticed by Him.

"Aha! the As·syrʹi·an,

The rod to express my anger

And the staff in their hand for my denunciation!

I will send him against an apostate nation,

Against the people who infuriated me;

I will command him to take much spoil and much plunder

And to trample them like mud in the streets.

But he will not be inclined this way

And his heart will not scheme this way;

For it is in his heart to annihilate,

To cut off many nations, not a few."

(Isaiah 10:5-7)

Israel was a small nation, and from the point of view of the nations, perhaps there were other nations from which the Assyrians could have stripped more spoil, but Jehovah put it into the heart of the Assyrians to go against "an apostate nation."

The locusts of Revelation only attack for five months, about 150 days.

Daniel 8:13,14 says "And an army was given over, together with the constant feature, because of transgression; and it kept throwing truth to the earth, and it acted and had success. And I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one speaking: “How long will the vision of the constant feature and of the transgression causing desolation continue, to make both the holy place and the army things to trample on?” So he said to me: “Until 2,300 evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be restored to its right condition.”

One evening plus one morning equals one day. 2,300 evenings and mornings is the same as 1,150 mornings plus 1,150 evenings, which is the same as 1,150 days.

As far as the timeline of the great tribulation goes, it seems that after Satan is cast out of heaven and riles up the UN, the initial part of the attack on religion will be very harsh for 150 days. By the 1,150th day, Jesus' angels will have refined the Christian congregation. (Removing the weeds and leaven, gathering the wheat together.) The tribulation will still last the full 3 1/2 years. The UN will rule as the dominant world power for 3 1/2 years, as the feet of the Daniel chapter 2 dream image.

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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Where do you get your 3 1/2 years?"

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Abaddon the destroyer is he Jesus?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

rev 9:11 the angel with the key to the abyss is called abaddon which means destroyer.. the cross references show jw doctrine teaches he is jesus himself using the account in luke where jesus got the demons out of that girl and they said don’t throw us into the abyss.

and revalation 20:1 shows an angel with the key to the abyss.. either watchtower are right and it’s jesus or there are more than one angel with the key to the abyss.. if it is jesus the destroyer of souls it sounds like conan the destroyer.. from the research guide-abaddon, the angel of the abyss—who is he?.

at revelation 9:11, however, the word “abaddon” is used as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” the corresponding greek name apollyon means “destroyer.” in the 19th century there were efforts made to show that this text prophetically applied to individuals such as emperor vespasian, muhammad, and even napoleon, and the angel was generally regarded as “satanic.” it should be noted, however, that at revelation 20:1-3 the angel having “the key of the abyss” is shown to be god’s representative from heaven, and rather than being “satanic,” he binds and hurls satan into the abyss.

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Hi, @Vidqun🙂...

"Why would the locust-scorpions attack religious institutions, starting with the Bethels? They don't distinguish the religious or non-religious."

Locusts are hungry and "fleshly". The religious institutions have amassed wealth. It is the physical, visible wealth of the different religious institutions that the locusts will attack, similar to what the locusts in Joel attacked. As far as the JWborg is concerned, that would mean real estate holdings, investments, the Bethels, the KHs, etc.

"The only ones that's exempt are those with God's seal (Rev. 9:4)."

Ezekiel also talks about those who are marked for survival. Ezekiel chapters 8 and 9 describes some nasty things going on among those who claim to be God's Name people. In Ezekiel 9:4 Jehovah says, “Go through the city, through Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who are sighing and groaning over all the detestable things that are being done in the city." This marking is not about surviving Armageddon. It's not talking about among the nations. It's specific. It's about those among God's Name people who are disturbed by the nasty false religious stuff and the hypocritical reproachful conduct of those who claim to be also worshippers of Jehovah.

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Did Jesus COME with the clouds of heaven in 1914?

by Fisherman in

take for example revelation 21: 10. .

“….and he showed me the holy city jerusalem coming down out of heaven from god.

here john sees something happening, action.

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@Vanderhoven...

As regards Jesus' coming and that Etta James song cover you posted, it echos the sentiments of the Song of songs...

"Place me as a seal upon your heart,

As a seal upon your arm,

For love is as strong as death is,

And exclusive devotion is as unyielding as the Grave.

Its flames are a blazing fire, the flame of Jah.

Surging waters cannot extinguish love,

Nor can rivers wash it away...

Hurry, my dear one,

And be swift like a gazelle

Or a young stag

Upon the mountains of spices.”

(Song of Solomon 8:6,7,14)

How we will all sing and rejoice "at last!" when the day of Jesus' arrival is here!💖🥰