(video is less than one minute, displays scriptures in chart form explaining 3 1/2 years of great tribulation, the last chart shows scripturally that the resurrection of the anointed will not occur until after the 1260th day of the great tribulation)
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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"outside of time" argument
by Blotty inthis is going to be very brief but a user recently tried to argue an argument that has already been refuted many times - the logic is somewhat sound but falls apart when the definition to the word used it looked and its usages in the bible.the word in question is "aionas" found in the scripture in question hebrews 1:2 .
(https://biblehub.com/hebrews/1-2.htm#lexicon)for starters look at the biblehub translations - do any of them state "outside of time" or that time was "created" in this moment - no because this seems to be heavily inspired by greek philosophy rather than the bible itself.note: i am not saying this word does not mean eternity or anything of the sort, i am saying this scripture some of the claims i dispute and can easily disprove, hence the argument is laughable.. bill mounce defines the word as:pr.
a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age: hence, a state of things marking an age or era; the present order of nature; the natural condition of man, the world; ὁ αἰών, illimitable duration, eternity; as also, οἱ αἰῶνες, ὁ αἰῶν τῶν αἰώνων, οἱ αἰῶνες τῶν αἰώνων; by an aramaism οἱ αἰῶνες, the material universe, heb.
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Blotty said: "This is going to be very brief..."
😆 I guess length of time is a matter of perspective. ☺️
aqwsed12345 said: "It's particularly amusing that one of the most important Watchtower doctrines which they are 'ad nauseam' parroting, namely "the Son is a creature", is NOWHERE explicitly stated in the Bible, although they amusingly claim that all their teachings are "clearly" in the Bible!"
"Father" according to Strong's is: "one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness...is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life...refers to a begetter, originator, progenitor..."
Father = "begetter"
Matthew 6:9
"You must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified.""
2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
1 Peter 1:3
"Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Ephesians 1:15-17
"...that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him."
Romans 15:5,6
"Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Colossians 1:3
"We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you..."
God is the Father of Jesus. It's right in the Bible a bunch of times. The scriptures clearly describe Jesus as begotten of God. "Begotten" means created. Anything created has a start date and is subject to time.
God is not subject to anything or anyone. God is not subject to time, that is why he can tell the finale from the beginning.
2 Peter 1:19-21
"For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were moved by holy spirit."
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Awake! No.1 2023, A United Nations Advertisement?
by EasyPrompt inawake!
magazine no.1 2023 and united nations promotions.
page 3, "world meteorological association".
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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?
by Sea Breeze ini guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.
and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.
but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.
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aqwsed12345...that picture on that link is horrid and demonic. Christ Jesus would never ever ever ever do anything like that because Jesus does everything like his Father would, and his Father is the God of Love.
Why is there a prologue letter from Pope Pius IX who died in 1878 if the publication was produced in 1905? What was the Bishop trying to prove? He mentioned scriptures out of context and misapplied them, and then used Greek philosophies of Plato and Socrates to try to back up his dark fairy-tale story.
Here's a clue when searching for truth - never trust any human claiming to come in Jesus' name who wants you to call them "Honorable" or "Reverend" or "Father". Jesus clearly said not to take on titles like that. If the person writing their sixty-one page thesis on hell can't even understand Jesus' clear direction on that matter, then they certainly aren't qualified to teach anything else about God or Christ or the Bible.
Matthew 23:1-10
"Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses
...All the works they do, they do to be seen by men, for they broaden the scripture-containing cases that they wear as safeguards and lengthen the fringes of their garments. They like the most prominent place at evening meals and the front seats in the synagogues and the greetings in the marketplaces and to be called Rabbi by men.
...But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ."
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Awake! No.1 2023, A United Nations Advertisement?
by EasyPrompt inawake!
magazine no.1 2023 and united nations promotions.
page 3, "world meteorological association".
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🎶WHO really are U, WTBT$? I really want to know...WHo who WHo WHO?
🤣🤣🤣 😁
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNbBDrceCy8
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Awake! No.1 2023, A United Nations Advertisement?
by EasyPrompt inawake!
magazine no.1 2023 and united nations promotions.
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Is WT Teachig on Hell Biblical?
by Sea Breeze ini guess you could say jesus was the first christian, since he was the christ.
and as the first christian, jesus spoke more about hell that any other biblical figure.
but, he is also the figure that said that he didn't come to condemn the world, but to save it.
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Yeah, because "hell" or "heller" in the Bible is "the grave" and refers to the condition of being dead. "There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going." (Ecclesiastes 9:10)
So people in "hell" or "Hades" or "the grave" are just asleep, and they can't warn anybody about anything.
The illustrations in Revelation and the gospels about the recycle bin and the trash dump are figurative.
If I dispose of something in the recycle bin, I can perhaps get it back.
If I dispose of something in the incinerator at the trash dump, not so much.
When Jesus disposes of the hypocritical religious institutions, those who are clergy/leaders in those institutions will weep and gnash their teeth because the means of their prominence/financial gain will be gone. It'll be "like hell" for them, in the "extremely difficult experience" sense of the word.
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Right, that's why when Jesus said "Lazarus our friend has gone to sleep, but I am going there to awaken him..." and then "Jesus said plainly, "Lazarus has died," his words jive with what is written in Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Lazarus didn't say, "Aw, Jesus, why did you bring me back from heaven!" or "Yikes! Thanks, Jesus for bringing me back from that awful hell place!"
The only time in the scriptures anybody talks like that is when apostate King Saul went to visit the witch of Endor..."Then “Samuel” said to Saul: “Why have you disturbed me by having me brought up?”"
The "doctrine" of "life in hell" is not based on the Bible, either in the Old Testament or the New Testament.
Life can be hell. But neither Jesus nor God would ever keep someone alive for all eternity in a torture chamber. "God is Love."
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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?
by BoogerMan inw80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!
- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.
however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.
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The Flood of Noah's day touched every corner of the earth.
The visions of Revelation included prophecies that talk about every nation, language, etc, also about how the "great city" has sway over all kings of the earth.
Revelation was written after the tribulation in Jerusalem.
The future tribulation will be just as extensive as the Flood of Noah's day.
"Perhaps the JW's view of the G.T. isn't as bad as they make it out to be/want it to be."
It isn't the "JW's view" that matters. It's what the Christ tells us that counts.
The disciples fell asleep before.
"He returned to the disciples and found them sleeping, and he said to Peter: “Could you not so much as keep on the watch for one hour with me? Keep on the watch and pray continually, so that you may not enter into temptation. The spirit, of course, is eager, but the flesh is weak.""
Now is not the time to be sleeping.
"But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch the thief was coming, he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into. On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it."
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Jesus' language was extravagant? Really?
by BoogerMan inw80 10/1 p. 25 after these “last days” god’s messianic kingdom!
- "when speaking of those final days of the jewish system of things, jesus said: “then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.” reportedly, there were 97,000 jews inside jerusalem that survived the siege and desolation of their holy city and its temple built by king herod.
however, these were not the “chosen ones” on whose account that “great tribulation” was shortened.
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Matthew 24:29-31
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And he will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."
Mark 13:24-27
"But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling out of heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken.
And then they will see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
And then he will send out the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth’s extremity to heaven’s extremity."
After the attack on Jerusalem, the Christians weren't gathered together - they were scattered. Nobody saw angels and nobody saw Jesus coming on the clouds with power and great glory.
The time of "great distress" hasn't happened yet. Everybody will know when it happens. No one will have to guess. It'll be so bad, people will think no Christians will survive. That's why Jesus said this in Matthew 24:
"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."
...and this in Mark 13...
"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away."
The leaders of the religious institutions (like the "heavens") will pass-away/be-removed and the organizations/bodies of the religious institutions (like the "earth" of those organizations) will be dissolved, but the "generation" of Christians who see the tribulation begin will survive to the end of the tribulation, because the appointed times of the nations to attack/rule-as-UN-world-power during the tribulation is only 3 1/2 years, and Jesus will help us get through that "wilderness" time.
He wasn't saying the "this generation" thing as some kind of way to calculate a timeframe. He was saying it so people wouldn't be scared that they wouldn't survive the tribulation.
The trialsome time period will have a definite ending and a definite end.
"But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near."