Posts by TheLiberator

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

TheLiberator

Agree 100% with Daniel1555.

I suspended my disbelief for the moment. I could imagine myself in the organization and getting caught up in it. It is sad, but for a few moments I could imagine the good feeling I would of had, had I not known TTATT. I have to admit, it was a secure feeling in the Watchtower. Sorry guys, this will not wake people up. It will simply reinforce. It would of never woke me up. In fact, it would have excited me and made me sad that the last day of the convention has arrived. 😢😢

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Challenge to Creationists

by cofty in

in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

TheLiberator

I need to add another thought. Why challenge people here? Is this a school lesson on how not to cut and paste and put into our own words? Isn't that what we were told to do in school to show we understood something? We are beyond that now. You can find counter arguments on all popular websites that are anti-evolution. No need for a challenge. Just like you, we will just rehash what others say. Why not write a letter to those sites. Just pretend you are sincere and want to believe in a creator but you are having trouble understanding this or that. (Like many of us did when discovering TTATT). And no, I am not joking.

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Challenge to Creationists

by cofty in

in response to the 37 threads in my evolution is a fact series - see bottom of op for links - perry posted a link to an article "44 reasons why evolution isn't true".. i offered him a challenge on the thread and by pm.

predictably he is totally ignoring it, so i am offering the challenge to any evolution-denier who thinks they have evidence to support their position.. please present one specific piece of evidence for creationism.. my task will be to refute it with evidence within 24 hours.. then i will present one piece of evidence for evolution and your challenge will be the same.. all posts must be as succinct as reasonably possible.

entirely in your own words, without copy-paste, videos or links.. please post your interest to take part and we will set it up before the first actual post in the exchange.

TheLiberator

Cofty. You and I know, that in the Watchtower we could slaughter (figuratively) ANYONE who dared rise against us with our Bibles. We had scripture and proof to destroy. I never lost a single argument when it came to the Bible. NOT ONE. I was willing to challenge the pope with no fear. Sort of like Russell was with clergy. I had a full grasp of Watchtower doctrine. All I ever did was study. The average person would not have the same amount of knowledge.

Thus, I would have them in tears. In fact, in high school, one individual actually took out a pencil and scribbled a scripture out in his Bible, and said, "It's not there now."

True, some of my reasoning was weak (just like your testicle story) , but overall very few could "prove" me wrong. What is my point? ALL THE CRAP I PROVED, WAS FALSE. Of course you will win the debate, in your own mind. But the believer in creation will win in there mind as well.

Bottom line: EVOLUTIONIST'S EYES ARE BROWN BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF CRAP JUST LIKE I WAS, WHEN I COULD PROVE EVERYTHING I BELIEVED IN THE WATCHTOWER.

http://www.dontveter.com/notes/essays/eerie.html

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Evolution is a Fact #37 - Testicles

by cofty in

take a look at the back of your tv/entertainment centre.

a mass of power and signal cables connect the various pieces of equipment in very specific ways.

imagine you wanted to switch the locations of your satellite receiver and your dvd player.

TheLiberator

Vidqun is right. To call something a flaw is presumptuous. Proof of evolution? That is why I call it desperate. It is laughable. Reminds me of American cars vs foreign. American cars are many times easier to repair than say a Toyota or a Mazda.

Why on planet earth would someone put the spark plugs behind the front wheel on the driver's side of my son's Mazda? Seems stupid to me. But if you ask the maker he will explain exactly why. And your ignorance will shine. The Mazda still had a creator. So this whole testicle nonsense is just absurd.

“For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”—2 Timothy 4: 3– 4,

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Questions for JW's from Christians

by Perry in

jw
friends

i'm thinking of printing a tract with some simple but thought-provoking questions for people to use when jw's come to their doors.

questions from christians.

bible-believing christians appreciate the moral values of jehovah’s witnesses in their communities but have several questions that somehow seem to escape us when we are caught unexpectedly at our doors.

TheLiberator

Another question: Can you show me from the scriptures, that baptism is dedication and involves making sure you are qualified through questioning?

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Reflections on John the Baptizer

by Nicholaus Kopernicus in

introductionisrael did not have a prophet in its midst for about 400 years.

no, not since the time of malachi where the “old testament ends”.

of his son just after his birth, the priest zechariah says...“but as for you, young child, you will be called a prophet of the most high, for you will go ahead of jehovah to prepare his ways, to give knowledge of salvation to his people by forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender compassion of our god.

TheLiberator

Good post! You can learn alot from him, but it does take reflection.

You said, "the influence of Jesus in my thinking, personality, and behaviour is increasing. I suspect it is the same for many withdrawing, disengaging from the organisation". This is so true.

Christ is everything. Others, including "weak" JW's, see the transformation in you.

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Evolution is a Fact #37 - Testicles

by cofty in

take a look at the back of your tv/entertainment centre.

a mass of power and signal cables connect the various pieces of equipment in very specific ways.

imagine you wanted to switch the locations of your satellite receiver and your dvd player.

TheLiberator

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Wow.

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What about hermaphrodites?

by neat blue dog in

a recent post about transgender people made me think.

i think its obvious that transgenders and homosexuals are easily banned in jwdom because the people in question were clearly born with their respective sex organs.. however.

what about intersex people aka hermaphrodites?

TheLiberator

This was the case with someone in my former sign language congregation. This individual was studying with a sister for a long time. But they decided that they identified themselves more as a guy. The study was then shifted to a brother. Basically the person is now a man and must stay that way if that is the choice. No flip flopping. They did get baptized. I have to be honest, and give the congregation credit. Everyone loved him. It was hard to remember "her" as a "him" since he had more of a feminine face. However, I spoke to him all the time. He was funny and always made fun of me. No one had any problems with him. Believe it or not, I actually miss many of the people in sign language including him.

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Faith Strengthening Literature

by TheLiberator in

i have shared these links with some.

they were passed on to me awhile back.

very encouraging.

TheLiberator

I have shared these links with some. They were passed on to me awhile back. Very encouraging. The first one was especially encouraging when I first left the Watchtower.

http://wernerbiblecommentary.org/?q=book/print/2

http://www.biblebb.com/files/ryle/inspiration.htm

I just finished reading these two books. Couldn't put them down. I would highly recommend them. The subject of copying and re-copying of the Bible has fascinated me lately. The Bible is the most wonderful gift from God.

Jonathan Morrow's:

Questioning the Bible: 11 Major Challenges to the Bible's Authority

Norman L. Geisler's:

From God To Us Revised and Expanded: How We Got Our Bible

"For the word of Yahweh is right. All his work is done in faithfulness." - Psalm 33:4

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Damaging Children With the Christian Gospel

by cofty in

the christian gospel begins with the dehumanising assertion that all humans are fallen sinners who deserve nothing but god's judgement and wrath.. not only does this taint all relationships between christians and unbelievers, it destroys the beautiful innocence of childhood.

in a recent edition of the popular christian radio program "family life today", titled “introducing your child to god,” co-host bob lepine discussed teaching “practical theology” to his young daughter, explaining:.

when my daughter, amy, was still less than two years old, i started teaching practical theology to her.

TheLiberator

I don't recall Jesus calling anyone a wicked sinner. Unless of course, they were truly wicked. I hear he actually treated the sinners quite well. On the other hand, he did tell the Pharisees where to go and how to get there.