Posts by RetiredLE

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What is the alternative to JW?

by Formerbrother in

i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

the the bible is word?

RetiredLE

DJS.. ".....dooo .......notttt....... seeek .........the treasur'....."

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how do most of you now feel about the military?

by sowhatnow in

was not sure where to post this, but i was curious, how do some of you now feel about the military?

would any of you let your children enlist, or would you yourselves join any military field?

how do you feel about the idea of women in the military?

Apologies for abbreviations; - "BTW - If your are a MAM, (Military Age Male -obviously not you or most here) get off your ass, if you can't do basic pt (Physical Training) and run 2 miles you are going to be useless and special "A-2" fertilizer.(Reference to Anthony Morris II talk on you and I , post Armageddon ,burying of the supposed dead billions,"A-2" fertilizer. Attempt at humor but highlighting the GB's mind set and desire to 'self create' this agenda .)

To the others (Beautiful people, victimized by WT )who are awake/awakening and not 'sheep dogs', we will need your prayer, shelter and support for what really lies ahead." (I don't expect many to understand the 'sheep dog' analogy, as who we are, any more than I can understand that a gay person 'is' gay.)

Anyone who's been in combat know's this truism; Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. ........Once that first bullet goes past your head, politics and all that (*JW) shit just goes right out the window.. (*edited : )

"Wars", as commonly defined here, are typically useless, but if you drill down to the individual person, defending his friends, family, his brother/sister next to him, Perhaps you can begin to understand the ingrained sense of honor and duty of those who are born to or become your Defenders.

I hope that I am dead wrong about the future, however. we've awoken to TATT, now I invite you to take a serious look at History. (Not J.W's version) Read the news, look at the technology, see the politics and polarization of peoples, put the pieces together. I believe you'll see that we are, most likely, on the brink of another End of an Age, whether it fits our 'comfort zone' or not. What you do know, how you prepare, can and will make a difference for future generations. Your children and grandchildren.

Any 'sheep dogs' will have resonating in their psyche...."Rescue the weak and the needy, deliver them from the hand of the wicked" PS 82:4.

I honor these....past, present, future...

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how do most of you now feel about the military?

by sowhatnow in

was not sure where to post this, but i was curious, how do some of you now feel about the military?

would any of you let your children enlist, or would you yourselves join any military field?

how do you feel about the idea of women in the military?

RetiredLE

Interesting topic, I suppose now would be the time to acknowledge that there are many brothers who have served or would have and will yet make top notch operators.

Explanation; Many men and some very special women have a God given,natural desire to not be 'sheep' but 'sheep dogs'. If you are one of those called in your gut and heart to be as one of David's Mighty Men, don't feel like a pariah, your time is coming.

It is painfully obvious that the GB, lawyers and other zealots are determined to 'self fulfill' their prophesies of persecution as victims of oppression. Ultimately placing themselves in a unique position in opposition to various groups, to create their own "Armageddon" .

The question becomes, what do YOU do when the SHTF and the GB tells your family/friends to 'listen obey and be blessed' to follow this directive.. “When “the Assyrian” attacks…the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.” i.e.sacrificing your family and friends.

If you are Awake and a 'Sheep Dog' (1 John 3:16) and see the above for the 'guano loco' it is. Now's the time to 'gear up' and 'train up' (as a surprising number are clandestinely already involved), seek out those who you suspect might be covertly organizing a few Instructors for SUT, in your area. The 'organization' has unwittingly laid a fine foundation for disciplined, tight knit, intelligent, small unit groups that only require some basic leadership and training, to make a formidable self defense force.

My opinion, this will be needed when the 'sheeple' (your brainwashed loved ones) ,in panic, realize they've been hung out as bait. The GB and Assoc. are the delusional 'limp noodles' that J.W. Broadcasting has glaringly revealed, they WILL leave the 'sheeple' at the mercy of Anarchists, Uber Nationalists, Radical Islamists, etc. Think, Auschwitz, "Israel 1948" and/or ISIS raping, beheading, crucifying, Syrian Christians, today.

Ultimately, in the last battle, some day, we will 'stand still'. However, the war will require us to shout "Jehovah's Sword and Gideon's".. to be co-workers, to protect the weak and downtrodden to release the captives and set free the oppressed.

BTW - If your are a MAM, get off your ass, if you can't do basic pt and run 2 miles you are going to be useless and special "A-2" fertilizer.

To the others who are awake/awakening and not 'sheep dogs', we will need your prayer, shelter and support for what really lies ahead.

This is simply another leaf in history, make a real difference and help turn the page..............

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how do most of you now feel about the military?

by sowhatnow in

was not sure where to post this, but i was curious, how do some of you now feel about the military?

would any of you let your children enlist, or would you yourselves join any military field?

how do you feel about the idea of women in the military?

RetiredLE

Interesting topic, I suppose now would be the time to acknowledge that there are many brothers who have served or would have and will yet make top notch operators.

Explanation; Many men and some very special women have a God given,natural desire to not be 'sheep' but 'sheep dogs'. If you are one of those called in your gut and heart to be as one of David's Mighty Men, don't feel like a pariah, your time is coming.

It is painfully obvious that the GB, lawyers and other zealots are determined to 'self fulfill' their prophesies of persecution, victims of oppression and ultimately placing themselves in a unique position in opposition to various groups, to create their own "Armageddon" .

The question becomes, what do YOU do when the SHTF and the GB tells your family/friends to 'listen obey and be blessed' to follow this directive.. “When “the Assyrian” attacks…the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.” i.e.sacrificing your family and friends.

If you are Awake and a 'Sheep Dog' (1 John 3:16) and see the above for the 'guano loco' it is. Now's the time to 'gear up' and 'train up' (as a surprising number are clandestinely already involved), seek out those who you suspect might be covertly organizing a few Instructors for SUT, in your area. The 'organization' has unwittingly laid a fine foundation for disciplined, tight knit, intelligent, small unit groups that only require some basic leadership and training, to make a formidable self defense force.

My opinion, this will be needed when the 'sheeple' (your brainwashed loved ones) in panic realize they've been hung out as bait. The GB and Assoc. are the delusional 'limp noodles' that J.W. Broadcasting has glaringly revealed, they WILL leave the 'sheeple' at the mercy of Anarchists, Uber Nationalists, Radical Islamists, etc. Think, Auschwitz, "Israel 1948" and/or ISIS raping, beheading, crucifying, Syrian Christians, today.

Ultimately, in the last battle, some day, we will 'stand still'. However, the war will require us to shout "Jehovah's Sword and Gideon's".. to be co-workers, to protect the week and downtrodden to release the captives and set free the oppressed.

BTW - If your are a MAM, get off your ass, if you can't do basic pt and run 2 miles you are going to be useless and special "A-2" fertilizer.

To the others who are awake/awakening and not 'sheep dogs', we will need your prayer, shelter and support for what really lies ahead.

This is simply another leaf in history, make a real difference and help turn the page..............

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Security Guards at Bethel and Body Guards for GB?

by RetiredLE in

"happy" vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je6_855ucac @ about 2:25 is a bethelite with a "security" jacket.

and then here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts23nn0emnw a "brother" at the gate claims to be sia security.

RetiredLE

In the J.W. "Happy" Vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je6_855Ucac @ about 2:25 is a Bethelite with a "Security" jacket. And then here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts23NN0emNw a "brother" at the gate claims to be SIA Security. I remember somewhere reading about at least one GB member having a bodyguard. Any personal knowledge of such? What is SIA Security? Wouldn't they be disqualified for any special privileges under the 'smiter' clause? I haven't been on a Bethel tour but understand these are very limited/controlled on access.

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Rivalry among the sisters

by Esmeralda001 in

when i was first introduced to the "truth", i was so distracted by the love and affection that the members were showing me that i was ready to convert into the religion without thinking twice.

i was conviced that jws were god's people (i still think some of them are).

i made it my goal to get baptized as i wanted to be part of the "only" religion that produce such good people.

RetiredLE

The ingrained 'class system' that permeates this organization like a Pyramid, from "GB Member" down , would be laughable if not so destructive.

As I awakened, it became a source of frustration, entertainment and then shame, as I realized the part I had played in oppressing others, 'lower' on the rungs.

Notice this quote from a 12/01/2010- Watchtower..Why Did They Reject the Messiah?.

"There was another deep-seated reason for their adamant refusal to acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. After Jesus resurrected Lazarus, leaders of the various religious factions consulted together and said: “What are we to do, because this man performs many signs? If we let him alone this way, they will all put faith in him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.” For fear of losing their power and position, the religious leaders conspired to kill both Jesus and Lazarus!—John 11:45-53; 12:9-11.

The only way to have any self worth as a J.W., is like a Pharisee, achieve 'power and position'. Even if it's protecting your 'turf' as "Elderette of the Mothers Room".

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Local Needs part given after Ministerial Servant left the organization

by cappytan in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbb8rt2bem8.

some crazy cult language in this talk.. some highlights:.

18:15 - obey.

RetiredLE

Why was I having flashbacks of the "Tommy Boy" movie... LOL..i.e.

'take care of your spirituality, pet it ...feed it...'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1EyN9xTK94 substitute 'sale' with 'spirituality'

'I'll never play with it!....Bro. so & so won't ever play with it....'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inK9HSH9BTc

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Is zeal beginning to vanish?

by Caupon in

jw
friends

it has to be starting to fade somehow.

the very last time i went out in field service, hardly any were out.

maybe just about nine people were out and man if you could just see their faces.

RetiredLE

A similar subject from another forum inspired this...

RetiredLE says:
December 20, 2015 at 11:04 pm
Pondering how congregations have become so polarized, with just a small minority of servants and pioneers making up a core of those marching to the GB beat. They carry the banners of loyalty and superiority while ‘goose stepping’ over the average publisher or struggling ones. Something about the music? Didn’t you hate it when they changed the words or tunes around on the old songs? Did you notice how the majority of new songs/lyrics are themed to ‘loyalty’ and the ‘faithful slave’? Did you notice how the ‘core’ shouts out these new songs with no regard to any real musical beauty?
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- Winston Smith says:
  December 21, 2015 at 6:40 am
  @RetiredLE
  100% agree on the music. It totally lost all meaning for me. It was shortly after that switch over that my awakening began. I wonder if there was a connection.
  WS
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  - RetiredLE says:
    December 21, 2015 at 8:59 am
    The GB will make a huge production about translating into some obscure language of a few hundred people. These people OBVIOUSLY have a ‘second’ language, a known ‘main stream’ language in order to exist.
    The GB will make some comment about how the “Truth” resonates in the heart of those who hear it in their mother tongue.
    This is one recruiting tool in distracting ‘bored’ publishers into joining or forming foreign language groups, who may only have a handful of ‘natives’ attending. 99.9% of the time the ‘natives’ have, at least a plausible understanding of the main stream language. These, btw, usually have a much more cautious and practical approach to life, derived from the reality of having to ‘fact check’ whatever situation or circumstance has brought them this far.
    The result, not much result. Some bored or overzealous witnesses ‘doing their time’, learning a language they will never use. Wasting their lives and any lonely ‘native sheeples’ lives that feel inclined to humor these domestic missionaries.
    The round about point on music, it DID, in fact, speak to our hearts. Music is a powerful medium and tool for those inclined to use it, as such. So like you, Winston, myself and thousands of others were ‘shocked and awed’ when the GB decided to change our ‘mother tongue’ of music. Thank God, (or reason) it was the catalyst for questioning ..WHY?…
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RetiredLE says:
December 20, 2015 at 11:33 pm
“Before we begin the meeting….Oh, isn’t this a PART of the meeting….anyway”… I’ve taken the liberty to change around the lyrics of the Beatles, Eleanor Rigby, as new song #144,000 – “Publisher Rigby – All the Lonely Sheeple”
Ah, look at all the lonely Sheeple.
Ah, look at all the lonely Sheeple.
Publisher Rigby, ponders the ‘new light’ where ‘old light’ had been.
Lives in a dream.
Waits for the Kingdom, trudging along, all alone, door to door.
Who is it for?
All the lonely Sheeple where do they all come from?
All the ‘thrown about’ Sheeple where do they all belong?
Elder McKenzie, reading the words of a LETTER that no one can hear.
No one comes near.
Look at him working, writing the LOCAL NEEDS for those who aren’t there.
What does he care.
All the lonely Sheeple where do they all come from?
All the ‘thrown about’ Sheeple where do they all belong?
Ah, look at all the lonely Sheeple.
Ah, look at all the lonely Sheeple.
‘Irregular’ Rigby, died with no ‘time’ but was buried as ‘ONE’ all the same.
Nobody came.
Elder McKenzie, shaking his head as he bleeds for the ‘SLAVE’.
No one is saved.
All the lonely Sheeple where do they all come from?
All the ‘thrown about’ Sheeple where do they all belong?

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Favourite Movie quotes...

by Tornintwo in

jw
friends

inspiring, funny...you choose.... i'll start with inspiring: .

frodo: i wish the ring had never come to me.

i wish none of this had happened.gandalf: so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide.

RetiredLE

"Hoot": Y'know what I think? Don't really matter what I think. - Black Hawk Down

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Battle over contamination at Watchtower site in Warwick

by OrphanCrow in

http://www.recordonline.com/article/20151214/news/151219671.

battle over contamination at watchtower site in warwick.

by hema easley .

RetiredLE

I found a docket a few weeks ago that showed this case in the motion and discovery phases. It is not being heard until mid 2017, as I recall.. With the GB anxious to sell off the Brooklyn properties, and potential buyers/investors supposedly chomping at the bit, doesn't this leave them in a bit of fix? How could they occupy a contaminated sight? If they do or can get occupancy, wouldn't that in itself nullify the WTBTS claim? Or are they simply attempting to recover damages/costs of their remediation? This may be a 'rehash' of VIdiots above comments. However, it would seem to indicate that they may be 'wandering in the wilderness', perhaps for some time. Hopefully they have a good supply of 'tight pants' to make it through....