It gets even better. CNN are reporting this as well now. It's about time too, but better late than nver.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/09/jehovah.witnesses.ap/index.html
Thirdson
, http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/05/08/ke050802s203205.htm.
jehovah's witnesses act against abuse-policy critics .
by peter smith .
It gets even better. CNN are reporting this as well now. It's about time too, but better late than nver.
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/05/09/jehovah.witnesses.ap/index.html
Thirdson
hi everyone,.
i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.
i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.
Hey, I've been rather busy lately and haven't been around here (or anywhere) between meetings and answering e-mail I've forgotten what I am supposed to do. Most days I go home wondering if I actually did anything. Am I alone in this?
I attended three meetings today, spent the first hour this morning preparing for the first one. Had lunch during the second meeting. Before the third meeting I had an impromptu meeting with three colleagues while we figured out a design issue with batch credit card processing. During the final meeting we agreed to meet again but only after I met with a key person to discuss customs and excise issues. Finally, I had an e-mail from a department manager saying she had signed off on a change I had coded. I updated the log, promoted my changes (3 minutes of effort) and went home. I guess I did one thing afterall today.
Gopher,
Surely it's not an AS400 you are moving to? I thought they were all iSeries machines now. Anyway, RPG rules, the extinct any day soon (sound familiar?) language that began in 1961 as an 80 column fixed format punchcard language is now completely free format. I am convinced its IBM's way of converting RPG programmers to C coders via incremental steps.
Thirdson
would witnesses do anything they are told?.
what do you think?if the gb came out with a new policy, such as you must now spit at people who dont take the mags off you on the ministry, and give some obscure scripture to prove it.. would the witnesses do it?
or would they twig something is not right?.
I've asked this myself and wonder how far JWs would go. They are prepared to sacrifice children over the blood doctrine. They do believe that God kills innocent children as when the Bible claims God directed the Israelites to kill men, women and children, all of them, no survivors. They believe that God is going to kill 99.9% of the world's population including babies and children.
With such extreme and immoral views I wonder if in desperation for something the happen, the "spirit directed" leadership said in a letter to all congregations that JWs are being directed to further the work and initiate God' action and this includes burning down churches of Babylonish religions.
I doubt all would follow such directives but some would. However, such commands and directives would leak via the Internet long before such actions could be taken. The leaders would be foolish to attempt to coerce such extreme measures.
Thirdson
hi friends,.
i thought that the following article was rather interesting, just thought i'd share it with you all.
(mirror newspaper is a prominemt national newspaper here in the uk).
May I add my bit on the "good old days" from a ex-pat Brit.
I grew up in an industrialized city when most working-class househoulds still burnt coal. I remember when I was young that we had switched over to coke, later to coal-gas and then everyone converted to natural gas. Pollution was so bad in the 1950s that people died from smog. In December 1952 3,500 to 4000 people died in London as a direct result of the fog. In the winter of 1962/63 the smog in the city where we lived was so bad that traffic was brought to a halt. My oldest brother had to be led home in a group by an assigned 6th former at 4:30 P.M. in near zero visibility conditions.
We used to (7 of us) drive around in a big (medium-sized at best in US terms) sedan with no seatbelts. It was so rusty at 9 years old that it had large patches of fibreglass and resin holding body panels together. On one journey a rear wheel came apart because it had deteriorated so bad. (Dad told mom it was a puncture so as not to worry her.)
We had a bathroom in our house but no indoor toilet until 1966. Some school friend's home had a galvanized tub that set up each week in front of a fire to bath in. I remember growing up an only bathing twice a week. Ewww! I know.
On Saturday nights we'd watch the "Black and White Minstrel Show" where all the male singers were white who blacked their faces. We saw nothing wrong about that.
At school, kids were beaten with rulers, canes and sneakers. I remember (3rd grade) one kid being beaten mercilessly by the headmaster. He boasted that the kid had shrieked and wailed at his earlier beating in his office.
My dad still laments about the "good old days" but I tell my son that life has never been so good. I am right.
Thirdson
one of my sons are hunting me widh a bokk from some david icke, someone now what the messege is, wierd too me, but i dont understand so much it is on english.as i can see i will tel a story of evel cospiration on earth from a few peopel.. perhaps someone here can help mee.
David Icke is a former professional soccer player and sports show anchor for the BBC. He joined the Green Party in the UK and became a leading spokesman for the party. He then abruptly announced he was the son of God and became easy fodder for the tabloid press and has been the butt of new-age jokes ever since. He never regained his reputation as serious thinker or advocate of political opinion and most people think is a crackpot. At least I do.
Thirdson
lol sorry i am feeling fluffy tonight .
mulan started it!!!!!!!.
coke for me....the real thing or nothing!
I choose Pepsi.
Unfortunately, product loyalty is abandoned when the Pepsi machine rejects my crumpled dollar bill but the Coke machine next to it accepts it.
Strange but true.
Thirdson
i am 36 yr old female originally from toronto ontario canada.
was raised jw till i was about 14. has anyone else had this happen in their hall?
the mom's (thank god never mine!
All my siblings and I were raised in the "lie" (I call it what it really is) but none of us were beaten at the Kingdom Hall and we were hardly ever spanked as kids and even then it was a open hand on the backside. I guess we were lucky. Some were not as fortunate and for them it was a regular beating at the Kingdom Hall.
In the 1960s we attended a hall in Birmingham, England that was long and narrow. One family nearly always sat near the front and the son was nearly always beaten. He be taken out by his father. As his dad carried him down the aisle you'd hear, "no daddy!, no daddy!, no daddy!" fading, followed at the end by a loud slap and the wail of the kid.
Sadly, that wasn't the only mistreatment. I found out about this kid's feelings about his JW lifestyle from my first wife who attended the same school as him. He never got baptized and moved away from home as soon as he could. He lives happily in Vancouver now, and I managed to contact him recently after more than 15 years.
Thirdson
today i received greg stafford's new book three dissertations on the teachings of jehovah's witnesses.
for those who don't know, stafford has been a staunch defender of the watchtower society's teachings for at least six years, on the net and in print.
his previous book, jehovah's witnesses defended (1998, 2000), is a milestone in pro-jw literature.. the new book is a radical departure from stafford's previous book in that he strongly questions the society's doctrines about blood transfusions, the basis for the claim of spiritual authority by jw leaders, the necessity for christians to believe the society's 1914 doctrine, and issues of "legalism" including the propriety of requiring "time" in the field ministry to be reported, and even the supposed scriptural basis for the society's ban on celebrating birthdays and christmas.
Thanks Alan for your post on Mr. Stafford's new book.
I ordered a copy this evening. I even listed www.jehovahs-witness.com as the source of where I heard about his web site. I hope I get it before he pulls the plug in an effort to stave off disfellowshipping.
Thirdson
i was just wondering....how many of you have actually met each other?
i'm new here.
what i mean is, are there regular reunions where one can go and meet other ex-jw's face to face?
I have met several people who post on this and other boards including two very frequent posters here (look up!) and it is fun and good to be able to see the actual person. (They are even nicer in real life too!) What's more you find people who understand the path we have chosen and you have an immediate sense of "family".
Post where you are located, you are likely to find someone who would love to get together with you, even in Minnesota!
Thirdson
it's hardly a whispered secret anymore.
countless elders.
and publishers are waiting for the deaths of governing.
Here's a question that few JWs can answer? Name the members of the current Governing Body? I know I can't. My source, the Proclaimers book is hopelessly out of date, quite a few have "popped their clogs". Then, there are the new "young" anointed who recently were added.
Will new non-anointed members be added or will the GB die out and leave the religion to be run by a board of directors as it was in the days prior to 1971?
Thirdson