Isaac, that was hilarious. Thank you. Yeah, that ignoring thing is so irritating. I moved back with my parents after my marriage broke up and I was lucky that they were willing to help me and not pressure me too much, but, the Dubs when they would come around gave me the invisibility treatment. When my Father died I was actually his hospice care-giver and called the PO to come for a final visit when the time was nigh. The morning he died, I was sitting at my Mom's kitchen table, in shock and totally exhausted, and several dubs came by. Not one of them even looked at me or offered their condolences, even though a couple of them sadly looked as if they wanted to but were too afraid. At his memorial service, an older woman hugged me and told me she was sorry and I will always think of her as a brave soul. One young man snuck a pat on my back but looked around in fear--to make sure he hadn't been seen. This religion is so twisted.
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Ran into a JW and DFed, DAed, or faded?
by pierogi inokay, i'm interested in experiences where you are dfed, daed or faded and you ran into a jw somewhere.
if you are dfed or daed, most likely they'd just ignore you.
this is unless you ran into them at work (like a restaurant, bank, grocery store) where it is there job to talk to you.
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A sin against the Holy Spirit...
by Threestars incan someone explain just exactly what that does mean.
i was never able to get a straight answer from anyone--it was just some sort of horrible thing a person might do that would never, ever be forgiven.
i asked point blank once if it was apostasy and was told no.
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Thanks everyone for your input. It appears that 1) My goose is totally cooked according to the borg!!!. 2) The WBTS has skillfully continued to use this concept to inspire fear in would-be free thinkers. 3) No poets, musicians, or painters will get into the new system.
I always fretted over this "sin". My Dad had committed adultery repeatedly and had been reinstated and he was mean to my Mother, but, thankfully, he had never "sinned against the Holy Spirit."
All those old farts in the governing body can bite me!. May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their crotches.
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Anyone have a MySpace.com account?
by drwtsn32 ini recently joined at the request of a friend, but i want to have more than just one person listed as a friend of mine.
lol if you have a profile on there let me know!
(via pm or just reply here.
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watchtower artwork
by johnjaspers inhey all.... i am new here and we can talk about that later, but i have a question that you may be able to help me with.
several years ago, there were a couple of sites that had artwork from the watchtower and awake magazines, as well as other org.
publications.
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I don't remember where I got it but I have the scary purple picture of armageddon from the old Paradise book on my hard drive--the one that traumatized so many kids from the fifties and sixties.
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Do you (still) pray to God?
by Marcel inim still a witness, but my mind is shunned, already.
im staying for fear, since i dont have anything outside the jw's.
im not a hardliner saying im sure jw's are wrong or god dont exists, but i confessed myself that i just dont know and i guess strongly that a menmade organization which behaves and acts like the wts cant be the right.
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No. I meditate with my Tibetan singing Bowls and sometimes I "talk" to the spirit essence of my beloved deceased Grandmother and even my Dad who died a JW. I also meditate on the Feminine Divine--a pleasant concept (as opposed to Warlord Zeus/Jehovah!) I picked up in the Unity church which I attended briefly. I'm an agnostic, I suppose, with a strong scientific educational background (no thanks to the borg on that one) but I have been called a "mystic" by some of my New-Age friends (probably because of my singing bowls...)
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A sin against the Holy Spirit...
by Threestars incan someone explain just exactly what that does mean.
i was never able to get a straight answer from anyone--it was just some sort of horrible thing a person might do that would never, ever be forgiven.
i asked point blank once if it was apostasy and was told no.
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Not sure why I would be offended...I'm truly curious. When I was a JW this was always being spouted as to something we all had to watch out for in case we might do it, but that was a long time ago. Maybe they take it more literally now as something only the pharisees did back in Jesus' day.
I no longer believe in the traditional version of God, I'm pretty much an agnostic, and I consider the bible a book full of violence and fear. The kind and good parts are too few and far between, no offense intended towards the still-Christian folk here.
One of my brothers and my Mom are still dubs however I can't really get into a doctrinal conversation with them since they will either 1) Think I'm interested in coming back in; 2) Discover my true feelings about their assinine religion and shun me completely for being a Satanic Apostate.
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A sin against the Holy Spirit...
by Threestars incan someone explain just exactly what that does mean.
i was never able to get a straight answer from anyone--it was just some sort of horrible thing a person might do that would never, ever be forgiven.
i asked point blank once if it was apostasy and was told no.
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Can someone explain just exactly what that DOES mean. I was never able to get a straight answer from anyone--it was just some sort of horrible thing a person might do that would never, ever be forgiven. I asked point blank once if it was Apostasy and was told no. Then, just what the heck is it??? I've been out for a long time so I thought someone might have some "new light" haha.
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df'd and having doubts..JC knows
by Caine inbefore i got df'd for you know what i told the brothers i was having doubts....think theylll keep me out longer?.
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Hello Caine, My Father got into trouble with the borg during my teens on and off and we didn't attend meetings for a long time. Then he came back in full force when I was 19 or 20 and by this time I didn't want to come back. I was very frightened of armageddon though, plus my Dad put a lot of pressure on me so I gave it a shot. It lasted about a year and then I just stopped completely.
We lived in a very large city so I was able to remain invisible to a certain extent because my Dad changed congs a lot. My Mom and younger siblings were all still in and since I wasn't DFed they still had dinners with me and spoke to me but my Dad never let up the pressure. I had a common law husband and we had 2 children but when I got pregnant for a 3rd time (this ended in a medical emergency--I lost the baby) Dad contacted the local elders, who did know me slightly and who bugged me from time to time, and told them I had committed fornication (no duh!) and I was foolish enough to go to the JC meeting.
I told them that I had no connection with the org and that none of my friends or co-workers even knew of my past association with them so there was no way that I was bringing "reproach" on the org. I also told them that my long-time partner and I were getting married soon, but they just kept asking me if I was going to continue having sex with this man. I told them yes (I could have lied but at that point I still felt that by lying to the elders I was lying to God). So those self-righteous men sat there and told me that I was a minion of Satan now and that I was going to be destroyed by Jehovah soon, my children were going to die horrible deaths--the whole spiel. I can remember sitting there looking at one of the elder's cowboy boots (yes, cowboy boots, but very nice ones!) and hearing the horrible demeaning things he was saying, and I just felt as if my brain was dissolving. He was SO cruel and vindictive. It turns out this particular gem of a fellow was a wife beater--my sister told me later that he got in trouble for slapping his wife around and lost his elder status but not DFed. His wife left him for another man and SHE was DFed though.
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df'd and having doubts..JC knows
by Caine inbefore i got df'd for you know what i told the brothers i was having doubts....think theylll keep me out longer?.
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Yes, it is very very hard to stay away and that is because of fear, pure and simple. You have been "indoctrinated" with this fear. I came back, (or tried to) about three times because of the fear and shame the organization had branded into my mind since early childhood. I finally did the "fade" but they actually caught up with me after about ten years and I was formally DFed. Even though I hadn't been to a meeting in years I was still horribly traumatized and was almost catatonic for weeks. This is cult mind-control at its finest. They hate being called a cult but read up about cults while you are here--I don't know it offhand but someone here should have a link to the page that lists all the earmarks of a cult. It's "eye-opening" believe me. It's probably too soon for you to take this step but you should read Ray Franz's "Crisis of Conscience". His very name probably sends shivers of fear down your spine and this is just the way the org wants you to feel. Reading his book after being DFed for over fifteen years is finally what broke the chains of fear for me. The org wants you in those chains. They are just men and nothing more, and they control the lives of millions on a whim. They will also destroy these lives on a whim. He truly exposed "The Man/Men Behind the Curtain" with his beautiful and heartbreaking book.
Best wishes to you and stay strong. You are an individual and you have great worth. The org made me an agnostic because I distrust ALL religion now, but I sense that you have a strong belief in God. It will be very hard for you to pray since they have told you, as they told me, that Jehovah's ears are now blocked to your prayers. The thought of praying to Jesus probably frightens you too, since that is a JW BIG no-no, but just try having a little "informal" one-sided chat with him. Or, express your fears to the Universe--read the Tao Te Ching. Try to build up your own sense of worth.
Peace
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My Story: They called the cops on me!
by EnlightenedMind ini found this website a few days ago, and ive stayed up until 3 and 4 a.m. every night since reading the all-too-familiar stories.
i applaud you for sharing your stories and being so open and caring to others who venture onto this site.
i wish id had you 9 years ago when i was dfd.
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Your story was heart-wrenching and yes, it would be almost unbelievable to a never-before JW, but to those of us here it is all too horribly familiar. I grew up in the "truth" ( I can't stand to say that word in regards to the dubs), dropped out for years before being DFed. (My Father called an elder's meeting on me actually hoping I would come to my senses) but before I was actually DFed I wasn't allowed to stand up with my sister as a bridesmaid at her Kindom Hall wedding. That hurt so badly but nothing like what you went through. I cannot even imagine them doing something so horrible, even those poor misguided, arrogant self-righteous fools--that was just TOO cruel. I hope you find solace in these boards but you have come a long way already in that you have forgiven so many of them. That is the key--the only way to avoid the bitterness that plagues so many of us. Peace to you.