the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
Satanus: thank you. if you read the latest findings, There is more recent rather than earlier acceleration found. questions about dark matter (the red herring). the pre-bang existence of time. omega is nearly one. we are safe for now.
Nobel gets nobler all the time.
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
i riddle 80: re: new light of wt is like the enlightenment of science?? really?
The major difference between new light or the 13.8 billion year old light that came into the scientifically advanced Plank satellite sensors (on topic) and all science teaching and
WT BtS new light is:-- that the formers (science) deals with verifyable REALITY, whereas
the Society's "Newer light" is based on INTERPRETATIONS of STORIES, FABLES featuring
a snake talking to a lady cloned from a spare rib, a vegetarian daring to offer soon to be rotting meat on an altar,-- whereas good organically grown veggies were rejected,--the 10 000 meter deep, recent flood,-- talking asses, a planet that stops rotating, starts again in 12 hours not trillion of years, walking on water, etc etc etc. none verifyable and repeated today. and/or
recification of procedures which are a heritage of a troubled wt past. so:
there is a very basic difference here like day and night.
on all counts.
vivre la difference. entre les deux.
reality will be realized.
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
satanus, thank you, but if you google "Hubble expansion history", that discovery will soon be 100 years old, -- like you know what.
"Plank" is just a better tool than COBE and that one better than the seminal horn in New Jersey.
I - Riddle 80: -- the Big difference between WT BtS inc's. flickering new light and that of scientific advancement regarding the understanding of the LAWS that GOVERN the UNIVERSE is That:
Keppler, Newton, Maxwell, Herz, Plank, Mach, Rutherford,von Laue, Einstein, Penzias ----et al did not get disfellowshipped, shunned silenced for their contributions. but look at
Galileo, Bruno who got entangled into unnecessary conflict with the religious predecessors of the GB.
Try to have the best of JW.net published in the WT and see what happened compared to Nature, Lancet or Scientific American.
Bethel Lurkers:
LETS HAVE THE "BEST OF JW.NET" published in a new INSIDER edition of the WT.
Look at the success of the scientific process.
PS. The continued expansion shows the universe is not contracting satanus ( although the mythological satan(us) domain might be). we have not started to travel backward into the non-existing past, or forward into a smaller {spatially) future.
Welcome the arrival of Andromeda, a much needed boost to the energy we will need by then, if life is to flourish here in the distant future.
which will be bright.
enjoy.
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
Phizzy --,QC --as all Pandas know, expansion at a constant rate in radius will result in ever smaller expansion of the perimeter because
the equation for circumference: 3.14--X 2radius is linear.
add only 14 meters to a 20 000 km* long rope around the earth and you could lift it <2m EVERYWHERE.
to let an average human (not just a mouse or Panda) pass underneath. ( ignoring the unevenness of the surface)
add 2.25 meters to the 13.8 billion light year DISTANCE (or radius) to the Big Bang (according to Plank sattelite findings) and you would add only 14 m to the perimeter or SIZE of the whole Universe, (or its 2 dimensional expanding-ballon model).
*.00007% so:
The comos has been moving, expanding through time for 13.8 billion years, and the light that "Plank" registered carried an unchanged message a true picture, for it arrived here the same moment it had left*, although space had stretched as it went. .
*at the speed of light c, flow through time stops or becomes zero. The backgound radiation ( that made plank's image) travels at "c". SO:
As we move into the future, the EXPANSION of the universe will become less and less significant compared to the duration that it moves through time, or the RADIUS to the beginning. so:
the best is yet to come as
we keep moving through time.
enjoy.
The perimeter measuremet would be equal to the distance between the galaxies, for the perimeter is everywhere.
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
Thank you Qc, so we can watch PBS again.
Nowhere did I hear a refutation as to why time as a distinct 4st or rather 1st (or pre-existing) dimension could have not existed before the three other material-carrying dimension started moving through it (Time) at the big bang.
Of course, as you correctly said, space and time are tied together but were they always? or consider this:
During one second of timeflow, shortly after the BB, there was a very high frequency vibs. per second. today that same second contains a message from that past time that has a very low frequency, hence the picture of the plank sattelite survey. near absolute zero.
The duration of a second of timeflow has not changed, but space has stretched since then, and with it the radiation travelling through it. so: Space dimensions and their content travel or expand THROUGH time. all the time.
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that flood that according to the bible was several meters higher than everest (note noah and everything on his boat would not be able to,breathe at this height) apparantly didn't do that much damage to civilisations in world history...... funny that?
i wonder what else is bullsh*t in those scrolls????.
On all the evidence we have, the flood story as told is a fantasy.
here a few things that are NOT proof it did NOT happen.
Snare &Racket: thank you for bringing this up for the new readers. but:
Noah's ark would not have needed oxigen mask for all to survive, because the airpressure of the atmosphere, when lifted everywhere, would still be nearly the same, for the volume of the air mass, column did not change. The rising tide lifts all boats, but also the air.
Yan Biblyan: A wooden vessel, that size, that loaded with even the most modern glues, fasteners would disintrigate even in the smoothest of seas, just the elephants walking. water does not lift mountains, its the other way around.
We can SEE evidence of the Big Bang beginning. A flood COULD have happened because the BB beginning made everything possible, but the flood did not happen, and we can not see evidence of it.
it is just another story piled onto the one of the spare-rib cloned lady listening to the talking snake- and not to be bettered the talking ass. and the walking on water and what not.
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
think of spacetime as a cord of 4 dimension (not unlike the threefold cord of jws after tying the knot)
now think of one of the strands of the cord being longer than the three others, very much longer infinitely longer stretching back from the big bang beginning of the other three strands.
That one strand is time, like a long hanging knot, the space strands slip along the endless time srand.
(in the treefold cord one of the strands is older too after all.)
the european space agency has produced a fascinating map of the universe using the super dooper plank satelite.. by stripping out dust emissions and radio frequencies from the milky way galaxy and more distant objects to leave just the afterglow of the big bang, an image of the microwave radiation (measured over a 15 month period) has been obtained that gives an extremely precise picture of the universe just 380,000 years after the big bang.. what we have learned from this data is the universe is some 80 million years older than we thought, the universe is made up of slightly more ordinary matter than was previously thought - 4.9% of all matter, up from 4.5% - and that there is less dark energy (which cosmologists don't understand) than previously thought and also it has an axis of evil (it appears the early universe was assymetrical) and a cold spot!!.
so we need to go back to the drawing board with regard to inflation theory to account for the asymmetry and cold spot.. this is why i love science, the more we learn, the more we have to learn.
btw, god sisn't show herself!.
QC : nothing Material existed INCLUDING time ? why do include TIME in something material?
proposal of prologos: Time always was, because there was nothing in the eternal past, forever.
what started at the material, dimensional energy BIG BANG was
MOVEMENT through time
space is expanding through time
we are all always moving through time ever since the big bang.
please explain if and why and how this idea is wrong.and how you can be so absolutely sure.
the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.
" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .
this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.
mP thank you:
On novel, human kingship in Israel: 1 Samu-el 8: 6, 7 aand context;
"--do give us a KING--"
"--Listen to the voice of THE PEOPLE-- It is I (Jehovah) they have rejected for being KING over them"--
Human kingship was by popular demand.
mP in all this we are discussing scriptural stories as we read them today. wether the whole thing, or part of it are or will be ultimately relevant is another matter.
on better times: I am hopefull that our understanding in all domains will improve, if we are not going to go the way of the dinosaurs.
In that process we are bound to be enlightened about creation. Even if the talking snake, ass, etc are fables, there are some profound truth, insights in the scriptures and research will be rewarded I am sure.
That is when we talk about " the appelation of FATHER in the NT", we are going BEYOND in time of the beginning of Creation and its principles and princes.
the purpose of the christian era is to moves descendent of adam into the family of jesus, the "last adam eternal father.
" 1co 15:45; isa 9:6 so, the christian order is familial, it is about jesus' family pleasing the father.. .
this is why jesus is the center piece of the nt greek text.
mP: re Numbers 3. verse 12:
"--I am taken the Levites -- IN PLACE OF ALL THE FIRSTBORN--. verse 41:
"----the Levites in PLACE of all the Firstborn---" verse 45:
"-- take the Levites --in place of all the Firstborn--.
It is a recurring theme of the scriptures (see Rev.14 "firstfruits") that the firstborn have priestly duties, and the ORIGINAL premise after the passover/exodus was so. only LATER was the first born-deal abandoned in favor of the INSTITUTIONALIZED Aaronic priesthood.
similarly, only by popular demand (or sheer force), was the HUMAN KINGSHIP of Benjamin/Judah LATER brought into existence. so:
Please leave the categorical judgement of what is right and wrong to better times. for Balaam's ass did not have it's last word yet.
