Posts by prologos

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Question Directed at Religious People

by Mr. Falcon in

i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

just lots of fighting.

prologos

Mr. falcon, not every religious person is so naive so as to believe in Noahs wooden titanic. Are creationists religious people? So: a creationist might ask :

how were the human races created? or evolved=fluid creation? There is one human race, interbreeding is very successful, eliminating inbreeding problems (check the pure bred dog dilemma). some of us carry neanderthal genes. races must have developed from isolation of populations. the noah of bible fable needed only one breeding couple to get going again. They found the 5 daughters of "EVE" widely dispersed, the man carrying most of "ADAMS" genes in the steppes of Euro-asia. Humans were and are great travellers spread out and come together again.

Hitler had his Human Race lesson at the 1936 Olympics and what great athletes we have today. off topic: pronouce "goebbels" quickly in succession and you get his middle name "the turkey".

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FOR ACTIVE WITNESSES ONLY - PLEASE!!

by The Searcher in

this is a sincere request to any brothers or sisters who are fearful of websites such as this; .

please imitate the beroeans who carefully examined the scriptures to see if what the apostle paul said was the truth.

they were described as being "noble minded" for doing so!!.

prologos

Searcher: thank you: if all ofthe mixed multitude came into the law covenant, then the 12 tribes of the ISRAEL of GOD in Rev.7 , that are in the NEW COVENANT could be of all nations too? then, since all were sprinkled with blood to establish the law covenant should not ALL members of the twelve tribes (including its non-{spiritual }Jew component partake of the CUP of the NEW COVENANT?

so that is question 3 a) since the mixed multitude at Mount Sinai, Rahab and Ruth become part of the Law Covenant arrangement, why should it be different for the New Covenant? why should not all Christians partake of the Cup of the New Covenant?

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New F&DS Light question

by ItsMyLife in

i have a question about the implications of the new light regarding the f&ds.

sorry if it sounds complicated, i'm not good at explaining things.. .

if the f&ds is now just the few brothers who get together to dispense the food at the proper time, and the f&ds will be appointed over all of christ's belongings, then does that mean they will be appointed above the rest of the 144,000 when they go to heaven?

prologos

Its my life : is your question about pre-eminence in heaven?

The new light (not so bright) sets the BROOKLYN truth DODGERS up at the pinnacle of the 144 000, the only FDS ONOINTED of all times!!!--, demoting the apostles and martyrs all, well,

The scriptures have news for them:

In Rev. 21:14 it is the "--name of the twelve Apostles--" that is on the 12 wall-foundation stones. supporting 12 000 each and the 12 gates with the names of the twelve tribes of (the) ISRAEL (of God). so:--The 12 are taking on a heavy heavenly burden!!

that seems to be the only preference among the CALLED Christians that we know of. Jesus said it was not for him to make such a choice.

The irrationality of WTs claims were already well described by better posts, but wt, by giving it self such high rank and demoting others will surely see it badly backfire.

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Musings on today's dishonest text.

by Slidin Fast in

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prologos

blondi, that is an exelent scriptural thought to add to encourage those here. your quote was a COMMAND by Jesus, the Beroeans although only fading from the Jewish system, were putting it into PRACTISE. If more did that, WT BtS would be emptied out.

Pyramid Scheme: thank you for the reminder.Those of us who went through the 30s and 40s and the twisted , shrill NSDAP propaganda can see the parallell happening now in this 4st wtreich.(kingdom)

And then there was Honnecker's henchmen. and their Pravda-speak: "we had to build the wall to keep the underpriviledged victism of imperial capitalism from overrunning our borders and generous welfare system"

Can WT BtS prevent from happening to them that occurred in Berlin TWICE ?

This daily text would be a GOOD, not too SLY way, to trip up' and start your "In" friend/mate/child to think critically. take the bible and read the context with them. its not about elders trying to make the straw palatable, sweating the outlines. its about analisis not only the scriptures, but the whole basis.

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The Statistical End Of The Disciple-Making Work?

by metatron in

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you guys with the stats feel free to correct me but it appears to me that we are within a hairsbreadth of the statistical end of the preaching work (as a disciple making activity).. if the world rate of publisher increase is 1.9% - and the estimated world population increase is 1.09%, then we are extremely close to the point at which the increase of the jw organization is entirely due to making babies.

the work of gathering disciples from the public has ended statistically.. metatron.

prologos

the nazi end-time promise was to take ALL down into destruction. All men were inducted into the defense forces. non-compliance would have you dangling from a street light. (a stake with a sign around your neck) . Many of the cornered nazi forces were remnants of volonteering french, danish dutch collaborators, facing summary execution, so did russian soldiers that had surrenderd against stalin orders.

Spring of 1945 was a climate of total fear, certain death. The fanatical became more fanatical. a lesson for the crash of this present fanatism, cool-aid mentality. , hopefully ceasars laws, power will shield the innocent.

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June 15, 2012 described events that had not happened yet.

by discreetslave in

someone on a facebook group pointed out how the june 15 2012 study wt commented on publishers pioneering this month.

this magazine was written before march.. .

page 23 .

prologos

data dog, did you write that on purpose? "--JW ORgWELL--"

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The Algorithmic Origins of Life (Davies, Walker)

by breakfast of champions in

for your perusal: the algorithmic origins of life .

prologos

satanus, thank you: skip to what conclusion? hopefully we humans will always be learning. like making truly stunning fractals. wow.

scientific work has given us artificial moons, assisted immune systems etc.-- so artificial life, if it comes, hopefully will be more juicy than a computer printout.

BSW: we are not wasting time living our great lives and being astoundet by what those that did not get entangled in the "dragnet" and did not"put kingdom interests first" accomplished.

peace.

ps: I get it the video conclusion?

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-30-2012 (DO YOUR WILL)

by blondie in

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http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/?contentlanguagefilter=en&pubfilter=w&yearfilter=2012.

united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.

http://exjehovahswitnessforum.yuku.com.

prologos

blondi, great to expose so precisely, well docomented the WT whitewash of this affair. Perhaps WT can argue:--

well compared to david we are not tooo bad, so bear with us. BSW

david of course also broke the 10st b) comandment against desiring (ogling) your fellow mens' wife.

which now means you can only view pornography of certified singles. and

David tried to have Uriah brake that man's ueber-strict adherence to the LAW, the injunction against intercourse during active duty in the army, all in an attempt to get rid of the lady and dump her back on the deceived husband.

even trying the "Lot and the wine" trick on him without success.

no wonder BOEs dont want to hear our comments.

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Would You Think Twice About Talking Negatively Toward Islam, The Koran or The Prophet?

by minimus in

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would you fear that there might be "consequences"??

?.

prologos

satanus, yes, tea is fine, as long as it is not "tea for two" then your montreal days might be numbered and your exiting skills from sinking vehicles might come in handy.

anybody here familiar with sinking vehicles? leaking latter-day arks?

if you cant get out of her right away, at least roll down the exit windows.

Paix.

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Memorial report 33 CE : Anointed partakers :0 --Jonadabs/OS partakers:11 or 12 ?

by prologos in

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according to the reports in the scriptures there were 13 persons in the upper rrom in jerusalem on nisan 13,14,15?

assembled fot the passover.. when the bread and wine were passed, 11 or 12 (depending on the reporter) were served.

these had an earthly hope, expected to eat and drink in the kingdom and rule soon in jerusalem.

prologos

or think about it this way: Jesus' baptism is said to set an EXAMPLE for us, so why not his abstaining from partaking of the emblems?

since the cup embodies the "blood of the new covenant" and the new covenant is for covering of sin, his drinking would have implied "sin", a contradiction of the rest of scripture teaching about him. but:

WT BtS and most churches agree that the bread wafer and wine are about heaven, an idea not shared by the original participants at the time.

This was not meant to be a monolog, but it is. everyone is still in the Wt thinking mode. counting the uncountable.