..according to the wt, adam and eve were created to live forever on earth right from the start.
two things i just thought of.. 1) one of the reasons that they were banished from the garden was so that they couldn't eat from 'the tree of life' , which would allow them to live forever.. so doesn't that mean that they were created with bodies that were going to deteriorate and die?
or would the magic fruit make them invulnerable even to gods power to destroy them?
The story admits that is was PERFECTLY alright that we are mortal like the animals.
no animal wants to die, so smart or dum as we humans are, we invented "religion" that denies death. one way or another.
must have been a special tree. imagine Giraffes getting to the high fruit first.
immortal lions, pirhanas!!-- lucky for us they were/are vegetarians eternally.
lucky too, that the universe is expanding with all that eternal libido of oll the nephesches going at it.
and war broke out in heaven: michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven.
so down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called devil and satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
- revelation 12:7-9. this took no time at all, for it is written:w97 5/1 p.29remember that according to revelation 12:9, 10, with the establishment of gods heavenly kingdom in 1914, satan was cast down to the vicinity of the earth.but it took jesus three years to figure out who his true followers were on earth.
He was waiting to see who could come up with the most outrageous story. it was THIS that satisfied him:
Millions now living might/WILL never die.
Oldies will be resurrected -in sunny california, 1925
Babylon has fallen, again,
The world HAS ended, the GOLDEN AGE awake!!! is upon us.
He knew then that the good stuff would keep coming like the July 15 issue of the companion magazine to the goldenageawake.
the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.
" this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.
so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.
all our activities, including our brain/minds alter the environment as we pass through time and leave an unalterable trace, a fossil evidence that recedes into the past,-- but can be retrieved by a being with advanced enough technology, able to dis -entangle it from the total of signals that we look at from other's past events. ( the butterfly setting up a vorice in the Amazon forest that triggers the hurricane north of Mexico).
IF there is a creator, it is easy to believe that he/she has that capacity. There is now no evidence that he/she is acting or has been acting that way. Bible stories might be wishful non-thinking. They are not evidence. If there is a return to life, to consciousness in any form:
We would then have a re-creator, proof that there is a benevolent God.
All the dead are holding their breath.
watchtower theology is intent on the idea of classes, taking characters from the bible and making a modern day application that is nothing if not a study in narcissism.
there is the elijah class, the elisha class, the jehus and the jehonadabs, they even made a class out of the very obscure nethinim.
i was emailing auntbee and she had the idea of possibly parodying the idea in one of her videos.
L 111: brilliant idea and writing:
The ZED-E-CI'AH the prophet CLASS:
because of his 1st CLASS act , based on I Kings 22:11, speaking to the assembly, he " made himself horns of iron--"--JEHOVAH says-- in this way you will push the Syrians -- extermination--""
This modern day CLASS pictures all the devoted brothers and sisters that provide and act out the bible dramas, ( but might be surprised at the final outcome.)
( Zedekiah was a not - so - true prophet, using jehovah's name, he sent Ahab to his doom believing in victory.
prophetic bible dramas for sure.
i know most jehovah's witnesses believe in the soul sleeping doctrine.
by this, given that neither man nor beast has a spirit, but that they do possess souls (or "intelligences" unique to themselves).
where this intelligence resides between death and resurrection is more than a passing interest, but again, assuming that yehweh can recreate one's distict soul, does the society believe that animals have souls?
according to the genesis account, perfect man and his even more perfect better half would DIE like animals unless they ate of the tree of life, wich they had access to.
they were perfect. animal like; like animals their creation too came under the heading: "all that he made was good".
Where are you going to put all those resurrected animals? in the heavens? that is already crowded.
Pisces, swan, taurus, scorpio,
If creation is good, it does not need atonement, it is already
at one with its purpose.:
enjoying life and providing fodder.
the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.
" this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.
so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.
even in the story of eden concocted by early storytellers,
A&E were naturally, like the animals, in a dying process, vegetarians too.
Only eating once, or continually, of that special tree of life, that was not outlawed by the way, would give them longer life.
WT has said that it would take a miracle to keep the earth& sun in existence fore ever, so its miracles all the way.
and if God has absolute free will, he can suspend the laws of the cosmos and: voila miracles of lefe,sleep death, recreated thoughts in new brains. wow.
but since we dont have the trees of life, we are dying, like the OTHER animals created with us.
spirit life becomes more believable with text support.
the wtbts teaches that, " the soul that is sinning..will die.
" this was re-hashed in the what is truth talk at the dc.
so i got to thinking about the wtbts's doctrine.
data dog I like the way you weave all the wt catch phrases into you questions! if--.
inherent immortality is used in wt speak only to mean the father, since the son RECEIVED it it upon "his being brought to life in the spirit"
what puzzles me is wt saying that jesus was speaking to those with an earthly hope / understanding Israelites at Luke 20:36 : "--can not die anymore for they are like angels--"
clearly, angels, satan demons will die ?
I am puzzeld about this wt teaching, not about the whole spinning process, for it might be a discussing an illusionary entity, the unfailing bible story, talking snake etal.
PTN: right. prey (all) animal flee to escape death, we invent religion, redemption to ease the death thouights pain.
I hope animals get a big dose of morphine with the adrenalin, to make it euthanasia.
for us, "religion is the opiate of the people" K.Marx /Y. Lenin.
funny picture in new public watchtower.
evidently there was a digital camera taking pictures about 3,500 years ago.
noah had family worship night in the ark, so all you slackers have no excuse!
what happened.
All theses details were left out to make sure we realize that
all this stuff, and what - ever is spun from it, is nonsense.
The ark was self-bailing and had davids to hoist animals overboard for bathing, rinsing.
adapted From Wt 7/15/2013 :
It is the few
removing the poo
of the many, its true.
i'm sure they are the most ass kissed bunch of old guys on the planet.
every time they give a little speech no matter how stupid or how boring a bunch of ass kisser will work their way towards them first chance they get to tell them how much they appreciate or needed to hear this talk, simply because he is a member of the governing body.. it must be somewhat lonely being at the top of the jehovah witness corporate structure even with all the ass kissing that goes on..
I know brother Friend had friends.
still does I hope.
the noolite in the july study rag, is that all the annointed will be in heaven when armageddy starts.. they already proved from the scriptures that there is not going to be a rapture of annointed.
(as a study pointed out they would "never" go back to a teaching they had disproved with the babble).
since mark sanderson is about 48, is in beth hell and receives the very best of health care, we can count on him living until at least 70 - 80. unless he dies of cancer or obesity or an accident.
Why do we think that this group of 8 is the one to go to heaven and not their successors living generations that have overlapped later?
Does not Re.20:4 show that the co-rulers with Christ are the martyred, executed ones?
Did any of the latter day figures, Russel, Rutherford, Franz, Knorr, Henschel, Shitty, Friend, Barr et al really die such a sacrificial death?
See the great "Tribulation Illustration" page 4 . above Mat: 24:22 : "-- on account of CHOSEN ONES --these days will be cut short--"
since the "anointed " are going to die anyway, to go to heaven, executed and/or rapture,
the "chosen ones" must be Christians in general, as described in Isiah 65: "--chosen ones will be houses,-- their offspring--"
it is so hard to make a good story now based entirely on the talking snake.
The sooner we snap out of the "end of the world-generation/ WE are the chosen ones/ thinking" -- the better, freer, saner we will be.
