Posts by prologos

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Creative day 7000 years, is this correct and how did the Org come up with this idea?

by Crazyguy in

any body know?

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somehow the idea of 6 creative days of 6000=42 000 + 7000 of a rest, Sabbath day appealed to the numerology minded wt writers, it fitted with the OT Jubilee cycle of - 49 +1 year. Subdividing the the last 7 millennia further into an 6 work +1 day of rest and judgement by "jesus". This fitted the overall pattern, and the 1 day= 1000 year rule. It allowed too to re-inforce the idea that after the end of the 1000 year kingdom would follow another millenium "day" to complete the type of the 50 year jubilee cycle. since seven is a spiritually perfect number, it makes perfect sense. of course Satan the talking snake has to raise it's ugly head in the 50th day again, so, no peace for the wicked. time out.

P.S. wt: the creative process of the earth, including the "new creation" is EONS long.

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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

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DK: "--144,000 is a figurative number." or all members of the 12 [earthly] tribes, out of which the 144k come, should partake.

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Appointments Of Elders / Ministerial Servants Etc. In Contrast With Those Claiming To Be Of The Anointed .

by smiddy in

according to jw beliefs the anointed / 144000 are going to rule with jc for a thousand years .as kings rev:20;4 .

i think they , the anointed , would be more important in the scheme of things than an elder or a ministerial servant in any congregation.. yet for the most part , they have no say or any position in any of the congregations in the world , and certainly not if they are female , however heaven accepts female anointed ones.. yet here on earth ,along with there service , elders and ministerial servants , with the holy spirits blessing , are appointed to there position in the congregation.. apparently there is no such scrutiny , guidelines or procedures in place , no holy spirit , or performance of service to determine who is an anointed person , so that any tom dick or harry ,mary jane or joan can claim to be an anointed person and it is accepted by the watchtower organization .. .

can you imagine every male claiming to be an elder in a congregation if you use the same guideline/ leeway that is given to the anointed ?.

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I think anyone reading Rev 20 would have second thought about their "calling"; You have to be killed by the axe, guillotine, or may be knife by ISIS, to be eligible. jws don't read their bibles enough. but you have a good point at least there is gender neutrality though among the anointed claimants., and at least the Vatican has a court and devils' advocate in their saint choosing.

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Little "oops" in today's WT Study article.

by stillin in

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paragraph 12 recommends that we meditate on the weekly reading for the theocratic ministry school.

ok, i'm splitting hairs here.

but there will be no more tms in a week.. somebody isn't keeping up with jehovah's celestial chariot..

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a different "oops" in par. 8, reflecting on marvels of creation, I looked at the opening picture, the sky scene, and thought, "is that not the Plow (UK) or Big Dipper (US) east of the moon? (the moon would be in the North West.), since the man is looking north? I have never seen this configuration. is this a sublime message: we are way off on all of this? because this picture is imho

boring has it's benefits.

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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

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tale sin: none of it's genuine in the true sense of the word. you are absolutely correct, but I am just applying the given wt terms to show how wrong the whole house of cards is. seeing that it is based on the ramifications of the snake talking. BSW I meant a minority 71 999 partakers*, assuming there is a "pure" wt 144k. * there might be at least that many closet, private, uncounted partaker.

nicolaou:: that is why I stated that they will get that reprieve by the "reason of insanity" defense, after all, wt certified them.

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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

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Nic: What changed about a decade ago to cause the upswing?perhaps the overlapping idea is opening the floodgates. If Friederich the great Franz was not the end of the "call" the possibility was seen for more overlappers in the second group, they asked, perhaps, why not go for broke? by reason of insanity we would still get paradise on Earth!

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Remember When Something Bad Would Happen And You Felt Its Really What They Deserved?

by minimus in

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i was thinking about christmas and how celebrants may lose their home and all their possessions because a christmas candle burned down the house.. witnesses smugly would say, "well, they shouldn't have been celebrating the holidays!

".....yet if a jw got into a fatal car accident while going to a convention, it was clearly satan's doing..

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The least that those wt gloaters could do read their bible. Proverbs 17:5 "He that is joyful at [another's] disaster will not be free from punishment." 24:17 "When your enemy falls do not rejoice --that--" see Schadenfreude.

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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

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M210: deliberately vague in print? i think every word is very carefully chosen, even in committee-style reviews, to have the subtle effect that Slimboy proposed. wt seems to resigned to ever increasing partaker counts, but are trying to diffuse the issue. has it not occurred to them that all should be partake?

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Watchtower crackdown on anointed expansion - are they reaching for a solution to the expanding numbers problem?

by slimboyfat in

if this has been discussed i missed it.

i think the january study watchtower is a concerted attempt to reduce the numbers claiming to be anointed.

but i love the sneaky way they go about it this time.

prologos

I just received the 1-15-2016 wt today, a gift from an ardent student. glancing through it, The reference to increasing the requirements as Slimboy suggested, must be very subtle, because the emphasis is still on a mysterious "anointing process" ( new word, par.8) there still seem to be a disconnect between works and anointing, although current GB members are ex cos, not all "anointed" are. Even a miracle for or by you would not count as a sign of being a "wt saint". (par 15) There will be many juicy comments here on these two articles. Tidbits I gathered?:

1) page 22 par 1 : the anointed only are still the "spiritual Israel" wheres "john" wrote they come out of the 12 tribes.

2.) par 17: "--the majority of the anointed have already died --[and been resurrected?]" that means we still could have 72001 genuine partakers , and many more counted, before 2075, by current trends. Can you imagine more than 144 000 partakers?

3) par. 14 "-- [anointed} have not lost interest in life, wanting it to end quickly--" no, hence the overlapping generation taking us to 2075.

4) page 26 par 15 :" it seems that all in the first-century Congregation were anointed--", well, it seems only? of course all the billions of partakers that were fooled by BTG, would end up on earth surely there had to be 12 non -anointed tribes for the partakers to come out of.

The anointing process is still hidden, personal and mind changing, a process akin to Eve listening to the talking snake.

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Yearbook 2016: Annual Report (15177 Partakers)

by Designer Stubble in

the 2016 yearbook is up on jw.orgbranches of jehovahs witnesses: 89 (was 90)number of lands reporting: 240 (was 239)total congregations: 118016 (was 115416)worldwide memorial attendance: 19,862,763 (was 19,950,019) decreasememorial partakers worldwide: 15,177 (was 14,121 in 2013:13,204) large increasepeak of publishers in kingdom service: 8,220,105 (was 8,201,205) minor increaseaverage publishers preaching each month: 7,987,279 (was 7,867,958)percentage of increase over 2014: 1.5 (was 2.2)total number baptized: 260,273 (was 275,581)average auxiliary pioneer publishers each month: 443,504 (was 635,298) huge decreaseaverage pioneer publishers each month: 1,135,210 (was 1,089,446)total hours spent in field: 1,933,473,727 (was 1,945,487,604) decreaseaverage home bible studies each month: 9,708,968 (was 9,499,933)

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Alanv: Interestingly, the increase in Europe is now around 0.2% which is very similar to the population increase of Europe. But that is changing Germany, Sweden had an 1% increase this year, and very few of the additions will become a jw and live.