it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
F: "-- the GT is not part of the sign ponting to it.--" so: Did Jesus say the generation will not pass away before all the sign occurs, --or "not pass away" before all, all events, including the jerusalem destruction, end of the world occurs ?
So, was the destruction of jerusalem, the temple, just a sign of bad or good things to come,-- or the real thing? is Armageddon just a sign or the real thing? in other words sign of what?
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
F: "why Wt teaches that the anointed pass away before the bird food. why? The "anointed have to be in heaven to take part in the Armageddon combat, they are the only 144 000 plus 2 immortal ones in the cosmos. They must also be ready for the complete bride for the Marriage of the Lamb, that puts the constraint on wt, forced them into the mistake.
The anointed can not be the generation Jesus talked about. it is resolved!
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Wt theology only holds, if they revert back to the OS,GC "generation", and abandon the "anointed: generation. The generation has to survive Armageddon, according to jesus. The anointed will not.
Keep it simple, look at the Jesus' words, read his lips: "will not pass away".
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman, my concern about the wt generation, anointed** is, that
Jesus specified, that the generation would not pass away, or die, before all would happen, that includes the biggest disaster ever. Current wt timetable has the anointed generation die, pass away to heaven long before Armageddon, the greatest disaster for the human race ever to be foretold. ergo:
The anointed can not be the generation Jesus was talking about. they do not fit the description at their end.
**whether they overlap or not, does not matter here, they can not pass away before Armageddon to fit what jesus said. thank you.
did you read this study articel in which the slave says it is not appointed yet?.
excerpt from study articel 13 7/15 p 8. so there is good reason for us to understand matthew 24:46, 47 to mean that jesus will arrive to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings at that time in the future during the great tribulation.
* (see endnote.
That "well done F&DS" appointment during the Great Tribulation will be a big disappointment, --why? because according to wt prophecy, it is then, well before Armageddon, that all the appointed anointed die, are raptured , called to heaven.
wt prophecy is a still born affair. dead on arrival.
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman: "--"REgarding their explanation of the 2nd group of anointed,---" Wt explains that the final group of anointed will die well before the battle of Armageddon. , The GC, ( really it's prospective members), survives, or, to use Jesus' words: "--does not pass away. --".
I opened a challenge to that wt " anointed " idea.:- "The Remnant of the Anointed can not be the Generation of Math. 24." prove wt right, prove the proposition wrong. your answer is above.
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
Lieu, The premise of the debate is independent of the 2 group generation idea, but your's is a great observation:
There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.
Jesus' words clearly imply that the same individuals would experience all the features of the calamity he was talking about.
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?
the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.
the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman, :--But the destruction is not the sign or part of the sign. The destruction is what the sign points to. surely you are not saying that "all these things" are, or pertain to, only the preliminary sign?, not the meat, the gory genocide?, the flood-like global catastrophe?
debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?
Great comments, but the crux of the matter, do Jesus ' words really define the anointed remnant generation as wt writers are so adamant about?
Lieu: " if they die before seeing "all these things occur", --according to wt doctrine they will definitely die, called to heaven, before all these things occur. or, can you be raptured without dieing?
