Posts by prologos

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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

by blondie in

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friends

this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

prologos

Fisherman: "--JW have been off by time not doctrine.

wrong in both. Jesus , in wt bibles, said the generation will not pass away until all these things occur. implying that then, after the end, it will pass away. wt , contradicting Jesus said, in 1918: it may/will never pass away. Now wt says it will even pass away before all these things occur.
The generation is either a) eternal or b) not, if it is not, it has to pass away either c) before or d) after the end, which is it, wt?

Jesus said it will pass away, wt, you said: "never" ( wrong in doctrine )

Jesus said not until, after, wt, you now say "before" ( wrong in doctrine, because the generation then can not be exclusively the anointed groups.

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Selloff Hinted At Assembly

by thedepressedsoul in

the last talk at the assembly made an interesting statement, "we can show faith by following direction if we're asked to move to another kingdom hall for better use of dedicated christian funds".

this statement has everyone talking.

i spoke to multiple individuals and they heard the same thing at different assembly's.. i know they have been "evaluating" all kingdom halls the last year or two.

prologos

I did not hear that here, at a recent one day assembly, but that "we should be ready to give up all our possessions, or lose them, which is the same thing, if involuntarily caught in the wt trap.

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Is it the original anointed person or their clone who will be in heaven?

by deegee in

the wt teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of the body.

if the anointed do not have an immortal soul/ some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their clone since once a person dies, according to wt theology, they cease to exist; so god will have to create a spirit body from nothing for that person and that created body by definition will therefore not be the original person but their clone.. so it will be a person's clone that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with christ, and not the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul..

prologos

"Clone" would be an inappropriate term, because in the case of cloning, the replica is just split off, not necessarily destroying the original. wt uses " died in the flesh, made alive in the spirit" as the repetition of Christ's alleged return to life for the anointed rapture now until the great tribulation.

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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

by blondie in

jw
friends

this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

prologos

not millions, (but ~ 600) that will never die, quote from a recent circuit assembly: assigned bethel speaker, referencing "writing committee outline" "-- people in the auditorium now will see the end of the generation and the beginning of Rev. 21:4 fulfillment, or words to that effect.

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I finally tied the knot, or any advice for an old "sew-and-sew"?

by compound complex in

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friends

i met up with many friends of 50-60 years over the last week.

these were friends from the neighborhood, school, and kh.

i renewed some really special attachments.

prologos

I thought you got hitched.(which should solve all your household needs and wants), so: We always wetted the end of the yarn to thread or loop the ends, to control the loose fibres.

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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

by blondie in

jw
friends

this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

prologos

David Splane " I'm a big fan of the "overlapping generations" business model myself"

yeah, and with many now endorsing the 115/120 year human life natural limit, that will get the overlapping old anointed groups well into the next century. "never die" past 2125. nice centennial.

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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

by blondie in

jw
friends

this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

prologos

S: "What is dead may never die!

The first version of a world wide series of talks given !918- 19 21 by Rurtherford. page 426 of the "JWs, Proclaimers of God's Kingdom" book.

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Millions now living will never die (orginally "may" never die) was the WTS lying

by blondie in

jw
friends

this was first said in 1918 and adjusted to "will never die" in 1920. of course, the wts taught that the anointed had to die to go to heaven; but there was no great crowd teaching then, so they were talking about all non-anointed people on earth.

the wts members were known as bible students then and had been expecting the end in 1914 and it was adjusted.

one date that was stressed at that time was 1925. so i think they idea was that people living in 1918 would be alive to see the end in 1925, which of course did not happen.

prologos

good points to think about. was it not for 1925 that they promised the resurrection of the patriarchs to take leading positions in the "golden age" they thought to develop in the USA?an age that was concurrent with the anointed "going home" like R & R ?

Tied to the unprecedented 'really not dying' promise, is their vacillating about who would survive Armageddon, even he anointed heavenly class was thought of at one time to survive the end, * to administer the planting of paradise. Bible texts are ambiguous enough to allow for that through selective quoting. WT always took the organic life of individuals to be very literally eternal. -- playing to the survival instinct honed through millions of years of evolution.

*Now, the anointed will die before Armageddon, contradicting Jesus word that they would not pass away. both Jesus and the bible and wt contradict each other, no wonder, not having a common plan oe script. , and -- just analising, not buying into it any more.

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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?

by LifesNotOver in

i know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.

i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.

we currently are separated - i have left him.

prologos

Grr T: "I'm not sure I really understand why folks feel the need to make sure their ex can remarry

or, some want to make sure their ex can not remarry.
only the innocent party can automatically remarry, according to wt. If the adulterer[ss] wants to stay a witness, they must obtain permission from the wronged ex to remarry. so:

who wants to stay a witness and burn? but I have seen it, a handsome man waiting years for permission from his ex wife.

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The Great October 2016 Invite to the Sunday Meeting campaign ...

by freddo in

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friends

well how's it going round your way?

massive increase of interested ones?

did you even know it was supposed to be happening?

prologos

sratchme110: "--n more people like a business mode

Yeah in this cong. it was the lowest Sunday attendance ever, and talking about "business" looked at study wt magazine August 2016 last page 32. look at the cart logo: " Geschaeftsstelle"-- no truer words =" Business location" in german. snare and a racket that is a business. Wt said it.