Posts by prologos

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Does The Multiverse Really Exist? (Shrinking Jehovah To Insignificance)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq5sr2z-pvm.

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GLT: "-That assumes a materialist point of view, that the creator would be of the same substances (matter, energy, space, time) as the things created.

not really, it assumes only that the first dimension, time, is fundamental and eternal.

The supposed creator of the multiverse would appropriately totally extend in that eternal dimension, but not moving through it,- as we do. He would always be bigger=older as his creation. no matter how big it gets. whereas the OP argues, that

a bigger creation= multiverse would shrink the creator by comparison.

Time is a dimension, what we experience is movement through time.

What really has shrunk is our ego , because we assumied we were quite significant, in the days the bible was written. We still live in the center of the universe though, but not the supposed multiverse.

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Name one Watchtower date that they got correct

by FatFreek 2005 in

it was the year 2011. remember that one?

surprise, surprise -- it wasn't one of their predictions.

it was from one of their competitors, harold camping.. "religious leaders sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers.

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Jan 1 2016 as the first day in the daily text brochure.

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Does The Multiverse Really Exist? (Shrinking Jehovah To Insignificance)

by Brokeback Watchtower in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq5sr2z-pvm.

prologos

let us suppose there is a multiverse that was made from nothing, since nothing has zero size, unless the multiverse made itself, the making maker must at that zero point in time have been bigger than the embryonic multiverse, but by how much? if that maker is eternal, he is infinitely older and larger. so:

The wt/bible god, the walker in the garden of eden might have become proportionally smaller, the creator only bigger, the bigger the multiverse, the bigger it's creator.or?

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Garden of Eden

by Onager in

where is the garden of eden?.

i don't mean where in the world, i mean where in history.

adam and eve get booted out of this place.

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The mythical tree of life was among all the fruit good to eat, or good tea leafs. there was only one forbidden tree in the garden, If Adam & Eve must have been encouraged to eat from it, they must have been created mortal, and required to sustain themselves by a total diet from the garden, so,

maybe what they thought to be swords, were really propellers, blowing a lot of hot air.

we all got fooled by the talking snake story for a while.

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The definition of a false prophet

by HereIgo in

the last time i spoke to my mother, who is a devout jw, she threatened me with typical jw scare tactics telling me how oh so close the end is and how me and my 2 young daughters will be slaughtered by god himself in armageddon.

knowing that this is just a scare tactic, i respectfully listened, then replied that the jw's have wrongfully predicted the end of the world three times and were incorrect, 1914, 1925, 1975. i asked doesn't that make them false prophets?

her response; " no, because the brothers are imperfect and jehovah knew their heart was in a sincere place.

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well, I hope they are false, and failed prophets indeed. for : in the Kingdom Rules book they are currently studying, page 228, paragraph 16 wt writers give this prophesy:

" --co-rulers with Christ will receive authority-- wielding an iron rod of destruction against all enemies of "god's kingdom", in other words you and I. and

do not hold your breath to see divine vengeance against wolves in sheep clothing, that false prophets really are, - to be executed, because . no other wt, bible threat has ever materialized, except in retrospect.

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Questions for the Biblical God

by Saethydd in

i consider myself an agnostic, i feel no sense of certainty that there is a single all-powerful creator who made the entire universe, and yet i must acknowledge that the universe is a large place that is filled with much beauty so the possibility of an intelligent mind being behind it is certainly there.

lately, however, i do have more and more doubts about the god of the bible being a candidate for that all-powerful creator should such a being even exist at all.. these doubts are founded upon a number of questions for which i have never found any satisfying biblical or logical answer.

instead, i was simply chided with the remark that "god's actions aren't always meant to be understood by humans," which i found to be a very unsatisfying answer.

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Saethydd you asked: "You can? I'm not familiar with them. Could you post them here?

Rev 9:10, 11:10, 14:10 20:10 The bible god put them there, for those that want to take them literally, and billions did, and some still do.

death and decay are needed for the systems of the universe, as they currently exist, to be balanced and progressive.

good point. This Universe has as a feature progression through time into the future. To keep on the move, proceed and progress , develop into something perhaps better, it seems to have to work as it does.

added: Most likely your kind of an ideal universe, would have to be a static, sterile one, with no progression, handcrafted in one shot. by contrast

The bible god is, after all an invention of the bible writers, limited and sincere they possibly all were, in their time. We have moved on, and the creator's works, not supposed words, works, that we see so much better than those before us, should be the new guide to answer your questions.

The creator is not silent, because works speak louder than words.

Pain is generated only in the brain, the mind, and I have a true story to tell about that.

p,s, sorry to have hijacked this thread, I am not advocating the discourse with or about the bile/wt god. [typo], I meant bible.

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Questions for the Biblical God

by Saethydd in

i consider myself an agnostic, i feel no sense of certainty that there is a single all-powerful creator who made the entire universe, and yet i must acknowledge that the universe is a large place that is filled with much beauty so the possibility of an intelligent mind being behind it is certainly there.

lately, however, i do have more and more doubts about the god of the bible being a candidate for that all-powerful creator should such a being even exist at all.. these doubts are founded upon a number of questions for which i have never found any satisfying biblical or logical answer.

instead, i was simply chided with the remark that "god's actions aren't always meant to be understood by humans," which i found to be a very unsatisfying answer.

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the spirit realm where angels and god supposedly reside would prove that a system of life can exist without such

I can think of bible passages that prove that pain and misery exist in that supposed biblical spirit realm too, even eternally. . right? so:

We have to observe nature, its laws and use it, and face reality. Pain might be more tolerable in many cases than we think, without predation, vegetarians would destroy the planet, the "design" is a balance. do not take suffering so personal. Because It is not getting any better than you can make it, that seems the message from the maker.*

*The maker* can not possibly be also the author or proofreader of the bible and wt literature. bsw.

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Questions for the Biblical God

by Saethydd in

i consider myself an agnostic, i feel no sense of certainty that there is a single all-powerful creator who made the entire universe, and yet i must acknowledge that the universe is a large place that is filled with much beauty so the possibility of an intelligent mind being behind it is certainly there.

lately, however, i do have more and more doubts about the god of the bible being a candidate for that all-powerful creator should such a being even exist at all.. these doubts are founded upon a number of questions for which i have never found any satisfying biblical or logical answer.

instead, i was simply chided with the remark that "god's actions aren't always meant to be understood by humans," which i found to be a very unsatisfying answer.

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Saethydd, you asked: Why would a creator with such a high regard for life specifically design a universe in which all life slowly decays?

because slow decay, and also violent ends, provides for screening of desirable outcomes in life's evolution as well as in inanimate mature. example,

generations of stars died, faded away, or compressed in violent collapses, Super Novae.

both types of death have produced all the abundant element we need, all made from Hydrogen.

Dying is good for us, as a whole. possibly done without the creator lifting so much of a finger, after the creation event.

not speaking for the wt/bible god here, but a possible creator, defined only as observed by the action of his creation.

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The "anointed generation" is wrong, not because it is dragging on too long, but because it is too short.

by prologos in

jesus taught a surviving generation, a group inhering everlasting life, an escape route to avoid a global disaster worse than the flood, a generation that "will not pass away--" an infinite generation.

wt teaches a generation that dies, ends, passes away, at the first sign of real trouble, the great tribulation.. what do you believe about this wt assertion?

(apart from that there is no talking snake, it is all irrelevant).

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megaboy you said: Keep in mind he talked in riddles to seperate people who didn't care, from people who really wanted to know what he was about.

megaboy; a great observation, but in this text, Math. 24-25 we have specific questions asked by very interested people, and answered in a private audience. The question, verse 3, basically was " -when -- the end of this world? " so, my opening proposition is entirely time - based, "--long vs short--" of the important ,central" this generation." question.

time would not pass away until seeing all of these described tribulations by either hearing about it or seeing it personally, and it would continually cycle through these things until his return, progressively getting worse.

megaboy: a great summary what has really happened. What you are saying is, that the generation is not only overlapping, but has done so since 033. ha ha ha. but

My observation was not about the overlap, but the end of the " Anointed only" generation invented by wt. That wt generation ends before Armageddon, way too short, for, in Jesus' total answer, the sheep in the last generation go on, go into Life Eternal.

Your's in an ongoing generation, as I read it, part of the last generation is supposed to be going into life eternal. --Would that not be a unexpected surprise for all of us; therefore:

isn't the wt anointed generation way too short? even if it had to be already stretched by overlapping?

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Who of us has ever thought, 'What's the point? I'm going to die anyway'

by Funchback in

when i truly believed the jws had the truth, i usually reverted back to 'what's the point?

i'm going to die anyway' as a way to justify for doing so-called bad things or not doing so-called good things in jw land.. i shouldn't be watching this r-rated movie.

(why stop?

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the probability of dying anyway, the very next year even, gets better and better, as one approaches ~90. so, I am packing a lot of serious fun living into the moments I pass through. not bitter, better.

obviously I consider writing, reading here serious fun. thank you Simon.

p.s. I don't want to die just any old way, I just want to die really really old. anyway.