Saintbertholdt

Joined

• started 24 topics
• posted 880 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Saintbertholdt

• 
  16

  Good NYT article on gravitational waves discovery

  by done4good in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=homepage&clicksource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&wt.nav=top-news&_r=0.

  probably the biggest find since the higgs.. d4g.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  It's not real until it's been explained to me in simple terms by Morgan Freeman.
  
• 
  28

  Waves in Gravity detected, another lucky hit?

  by prologos in

  1. social
  2. humour

  gravity waves sound like a special kind of sound, so is this another lucky hit in the otherwise discredited bible?

  gen i: 3,6,9,"said" like in acoustics?

  note the subject area, and be objective.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Sound pressure waves require a medium like water or a solid.

  See the movie tagline: "In space no one can hear you scream."

  Gravity waves do not require a medium and can propagate in a total vacuum.

  There's also a vast difference in speed of propagation between sound and gravity waves.

  So no gravity waves are not like sound waves.
• 
  36

  A JW experience

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is a quick experience i have recently had and i have two questions at the end.. a couple of weeks ago, the dogs were barking at the gate on saturday morning and wouldn't you know it, it was some witnesses.

  there was a father with his lovely wife and their young daughter.

  the father did all the talking as mother and daughter just dutifully smiled and watched.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Out of curiosity, which scripture did he read, by the way?

  Daniel 2:44

  You basically ruined the presentation he prepared by going off script
  

  Oh yes I forgot, the householder has to agree :)
• 
  36

  A JW experience

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is a quick experience i have recently had and i have two questions at the end.. a couple of weeks ago, the dogs were barking at the gate on saturday morning and wouldn't you know it, it was some witnesses.

  there was a father with his lovely wife and their young daughter.

  the father did all the talking as mother and daughter just dutifully smiled and watched.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Hi jookbeard,

  So would you then say that counter arguments to their preaching have just become so much more sophisticated?
• 
  36

  A JW experience

  by Saintbertholdt in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is a quick experience i have recently had and i have two questions at the end.. a couple of weeks ago, the dogs were barking at the gate on saturday morning and wouldn't you know it, it was some witnesses.

  there was a father with his lovely wife and their young daughter.

  the father did all the talking as mother and daughter just dutifully smiled and watched.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Hi there all,

  This is a quick experience I have recently had and I have two questions at the end.

  A couple of weeks ago, the dogs were barking at the gate on Saturday morning and wouldn't you know it, it was some witnesses. There was a father with his lovely wife and their young daughter. The father did all the talking as mother and daughter just dutifully smiled and watched. So in the back of my mind I'm thinking, well on JWN I know what they would be advising: Royal commission! I decided against it because it was Saturday morning and I was busy with gardening and I didn't want to lay it on them too thick. They looked as if they were enjoying the fresh air and dad was going to show the family how to do a textbook presentation.

  Firstly I asked whether they were Jehovah's Witnesses, which they acknowledged immediately because I was being my friendliest self and so there was no reason to skirt around the fact. We started talking about this and that and then the sales pitch started. Dad gave me the old "Would you agree that world conditions are becoming worse" routine. I just answered the question as I would answer anyone who made that assertion. I replied that today in the modern world we enjoy things like motor vehicles instead of horses and carts, we have modern medicines like antibiotics which were unavailable a hundred years ago and that non existence made infections and sepsis high mortality diseases. I also mentioned easier access to food over the past century and didn't even expand on the topics very much. I wasn't pushing my point of view and was still being friendly while trimming some bushes.

  I was wondering whether he would counter with bad world economic conditions or something else, but instead he looked visibly perturbed. He then went on to a scripture and offered a couple of magazines, which I accepted. He did not ask for a donation and we parted ways amicably. I even waved goodbye.

  Now my questions are these: Was it just this man, or have witnesses today become derailed very quickly with the most basic arguments? (I found the ease with which I could make him hesitate was too uncanny.) Whats going on here? Its actually been on my mind quite a bit.
• 
  23

  Your Favorite Poetry

  by compound complex in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thank you, dear friends, for expressing your thoughts today on the importance of the arts in your lives.

  many years ago, a number of threads were devoted to poetry, literature, even english grammar.

  rather than resurrect an old thread -- usually with zero results -- i would like to introduce a new post, asking you to add some of your favorite verse.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  How calmly does the olive branch
  Observe the sky begin to blanch
  Without a cry, without a prayer
  With no betrayal of despair

  Some time while light obscures the tree
  The zenith of its life will be
  Gone past forever
  And from thence
  A second history will commence
  

  A chronicle no longer gold
  A bargaining with mist and mold
  And finally the broken stem
  The plummeting to earth, and then

  And still the ripe fruit and the branch
  Observe the sky begin to blanch
  Without a cry, without a prayer
  With no betrayal of despair
  

  Oh courage! Could you not as well
  Select a second place to dwell
  Not only in that golden tree
  But in the frightened heart of me
  
  
• 
  10

  Evolution is a Fact #14 - Joey Goes to Oz

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  australia is home to 223 species of marsupial.. lacking a womb our mammalian cousins give birth to their young at a very early stage of development and then nurse them to maturity.

  female marsupials also have 3 vaginas but that is another thread.. the earliest fossils of marsupials are not to be found in australia however but in north america 80 million years ago.

  their journey can be followed south all the way to the tip of south america 40 million years ago and then they suddenly turn up in australia 30 million years ago.. so where were joey's ancestors during the missing 10 million years and how did they manage to get to australia?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Vagina.... hehehehehe
• 
  66

  What Should the Minimum Wage Be (USA)?

  by Village Idiot in

  1. social
  2. current

  during the gop debates donald trump said that american’s “wages [are] too high” and later said “that having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country” (7:25)..

  do you agree and if so why?.

  my two cents on this issue; do the math.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Equating it with a loaded phrase like "social engineering" is an attempt to thwart the necessity of having enough money to sustain you. I've been talking about basic rent and food.

  So if you think that I'm using loaded language with Social Engineering, I'll abandon it.I do think it has merit though: LoveUniHateExams pointed to the United Kingdoms situation. If you look at the politics and economics of the UK in the 1970s and 80s it is a good example of social engineering by the left and the right, with its advantages and its foibles.
  

  Ok let me put it another way: What is the real minimum wage? Zero. Irrespective of minimum wage laws. If you're not working you're earning the real minimum wage, which is nothing. Which is worse: Living out of your car or living out of a cardboard box?

  That could be used to rationalize no minimum wage the result of which being that the unemployed may be employed while living out of his car (if any).

  True. Its my concern as well. I have to point out though that our concern is actually not borne out by the facts.

  From the text again: "Europe’s unemployment rates shot up when such government-mandated benefits to be paid for by employers grew sharply during the 1980s and 1990s. In Germany, such benefits accounted for half of the average labor cost per hour. By comparison, such benefits accounted for less than one-fourth the average labor costs per hour in Japan and the United States. Average hourly compensation of manufacturing employees in the European Union countries in general is higher than in the United States or Japan. So is unemployment."

  So what does one want then? Low unemployment or a better quality of life for those employed?

  It seems that you cannot have both, unless I am mistaken.
• 
  66

  What Should the Minimum Wage Be (USA)?

  by Village Idiot in

  1. social
  2. current

  during the gop debates donald trump said that american’s “wages [are] too high” and later said “that having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country” (7:25)..

  do you agree and if so why?.

  my two cents on this issue; do the math.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  Which is considered to be a Socialistic way of doing things.

  Sure. But isn't minimum wage doing the same thing?

  Let me quote from a well known Economic text (Basic Economics - Sowell): "A belated recognition of the connection between minimum wage laws and unemployment by government officials has caused some countries to allow their real minimum wage levels to be eroded by inflation, avoiding the political risks of trying to repeal these laws explicitly, when so many voters think of such laws as being beneficial to workers. These laws are in fact beneficial to those workers who continue to be employed—those who are on the inside looking out, but at the expense of the unemployed who are on the outside looking in."

  The economist view is that the minimum wage is generally a bad thing, but I've not bought into the notion entirely, but as our discussion is progressing I am starting to see some merit in the abandoning of a minimum wage (except to prevent extreme exploitation).

  I come back to the following thought: Isn't using minimum wage to ensure a specific lifestyle a form of social engineering? Is social engineering a good idea?

  
  
• 
  66

  What Should the Minimum Wage Be (USA)?

  by Village Idiot in

  1. social
  2. current

  during the gop debates donald trump said that american’s “wages [are] too high” and later said “that having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country” (7:25)..

  do you agree and if so why?.

  my two cents on this issue; do the math.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Saintbertholdt

  There is a country that has no minimum wage no welfare system and no medical programs where peoples money is being taxed to pay for it all. It called Somalia.

  Just for interest, five countries with no enforced minimum wage, instead relying on collective bargaining:

  Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland